It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[Riastrad]

If you think that changing how something appears on my screen is "suppressing someone", that's when I say to you remember that you're inside and playing a video game. Others can be themselves all they want.

Again, this wouldn't change ANYTHING about their experience beyond the possible knowledge that some random out there might not be seeing them.

If I had my way Hrothgar, Viera, Miqo'te, and Lalafels would all be hidden from my view. I dislike the way they look immensely yet you won't see me ever calling for a way to exclude them from my screen, because that is the way those players choose to represent themselves. As we all know, representation is a hot button issue at the moment. Can you imagine the negative press? "FFXIV gives male characters the option to wear a wedding dress! Promptly allows others to hide them from view." Good luck with that.

You have many avenues to find and play with many others who share your opinion. Linkshells, Cross-World Linkshell, Free Companies, Fellowships, and of course you can freely travel to other servers. Why not make a community for yourself and others? Don't want to see a cat boy in 2B's stockings? That's fine. You can go anywhere else.

[Awha]

Once you start going down the road of suppressing someone else's choice on how they want to represent themselves, that's when I say to you, go outside and see how minuscule that problem is.

Just preform your own parties and let others be themselves. Solved your problem. It's an MMO, find like minded players.

If it is such a minuscule problem why is such a big deal if the option was added?

That aside suppression would only happen if the person in question makes the assumption that majority of people would use the feature then at that point they would have to make the choice to suppress their own fashion choices.

[Riastrad]

If it is such a minuscule problem why is such a big deal if the option was added?

That aside suppression would only happen if the person in question makes the assumption that majority of people would use the feature then at that point they would have to make the choice to suppress their own fashion choices.

How about this? They add an option to roulettes that turns off glamors for everyone in the party, but only pairs you up with people who also click that option. There compromise. You can play with yours and I can play with mine.

[Theodric]

Hrothgar and Viera were added with only one gender each and the controversy that arose alongside the announcement amounted to very little in the way of negative press. Given that the proposed toggle at the centre of this thread would be entirely client side, it isn't anywhere near the same level of controversy as the Hrothgar/Viera situation. I'm confident suggesting that it would be a storm in a teacup and would amount to very little in the way of negative press, especially since the game itself has been doing exceptionally well for itself.

How about this? They add an option to roulettes that turns off glamors for everyone in the party, but only pairs you up with people who also click that option. There compromise. You can play with yours and I can play with mine.

That doesn't account for interactions in the open world and would negatively impact queue times. The proposed toggle is no different to someone opting to not display your character's visuals when they use abilities/casting them in different lighting options to how you see them on your screen. The compromise already exists in the form of it being entirely client side. It doesn't stop you from dressing your character however you so please.

[Krotoan]

If I had my way Hrothgar, Viera, Miqo'te, and Lalafels would all be hidden from my view. I dislike the way they look immensely yet you won't see me ever calling for a way to exclude them from my screen, because that is the way those players choose to represent themselves. As we all know, representation is a hot button issue at the moment. Can you imagine the negative press? "FFXIV gives male characters the option to wear a wedding dress! Promptly allows others to hide them from view." Good luck with that.

Propose your idea for hiding near everyone else in the game. See if anyone else feels the same and maybe the devs might make the option. Unlikely though since it would remove most of the rest of the population and affect actual dungeon runs if implemented exactly as you say.

I believe your idea of "outrage news" following this implementation is projecting either your own or perceived values onto the rest of the world. Tumblr might have a riot, but that's about it. Most of the people I've talked to about this particular subject, and I've been tossing it around a lot just to see some other perspectives, are mildly surprised that people even linked it to bigotry let alone seriously making accusations of repression. The most common response I've gotten was "..but why do they care?". .. This is not a request for an answer to that question, I've got plenty of perspective on that.

You have many avenues to find and play with many others who share your opinion. Linkshells, Cross-World Linkshell, Free Companies, Fellowships, and of course you can freely travel to other servers. Why not make a community for yourself and others? Don't want to see a cat boy in 2B's stockings? That's fine. You can go anywhere else.

Yet no option on my own client to make my particular preference an actual reality. So here we are discussing it. I like this game enough to have played it for 10 years, "go play something else" isn't a great suggestion. This isn't a make or break condition either, just a discussion of a possible option that I like the idea of.

[Aniise]

Oh my...this thread has gone on like forever and I guess whatever I may say now, you are so stuck to your views that nothing I say will get through to you. However, I'll still have to try, because you guys are creating a problem where none is. Really, if you see someone wearing something you don't agree with...just smile, shrug it off, look away and go on with your day. What's so hard about this? If you act like adults and just do what every normal person does when they see something they don't like, the devs won't have to use their (apparently) limited resources and time on such a feature. I would like to see them work on other, useful stuff, that benefits the game as a whole. Not something as nonsensical as this.

I'm no fan of this proposal, but for more than just this one reason. How bland would the world of Eorzea be, if we could just toggle off the glamours of others and everyone would just run around in the same clothes? Even if you say it's just on your screen and the other party would never know...maybe their glam is a part of how they want to present their character and you are taking that from them?

For example, on our server, we have a certain guy/girl(don't really know) that has been active in our hunting community for many years. They always rock a full body Chocobo suit, their name has some Chocobo references in it, and they end every sentence with a "kweh". Their glamour is part of their character as they want it to be seen by others. And even though I don't really know them, seeing them in just normal bland gear would take away a lot of their uniqueness.

When SE implemented the Glam system, they did it so that we would be able to give our characters more personality, to customize them even more to our liking. I'm glad we have this option and I guess you are too, as you probably use glams aswell. And if you just can't stand to look at that guy in the Chocobo suit or that girl in the frog suit, well..just don't look at them. If you are in a dungeon with them, everything is great but their glam is your biggest problem, I'm sorry, but that's...sad.

Just my 2 cents on this matter.

[Skolopendrokot]

I think people are just a bit too sensitive these days. On the West we live in a society which glorifies individualism, so many people think they have right to express themselves the way they want and everyone is obliged to accept it no matter what. We often forget that our freedom ends where other people freedom starts, so it's good to try to understand and tolerate each other. You can create a character you want and play it the way you want, but you need to understand there are people who don't feel comfortable with oversexualized or genderless outfits, so they would prefer to have an option to hide your gear. Not to harm your personal feelings because they are bad and intolerant people, but to improve their experience with the game with their own standards. Please try to understand rpers who are doing a serious roleplay with players in subligars or frog outfits in the background - it would be rude to ask them to change their gear, so I really do not see any problem with an option to deactivate it on personal players' screens.

FFXIV is the game for everyone, so we should try to respect everyone's needs.

[Alacran]

If you think that changing how something appears on my screen is "suppressing someone", that's when I say to you remember that you're inside and playing a video game. Others can be themselves all they want.

Again, this wouldn't change ANYTHING about their experience beyond the possible knowledge that some random out there might not be seeing them.

Except their ability to to express themselves. Does that not matter at all?

I don't want to see Lala and Hrothgar, i feel both races do not fit the aesthetic of the game. I'm more for subtle variance between the races, the fact that many gear options have only limited viewing area on both these races due to posture, build, ect... supports this.

However that is only my opinion. I am not, should not, would not, want to have the game world only cater to my taste. For all my faults, i am not so intolerant of others ability to express themselves.

Explain it all however you like with that whole "it's only my screen
' bs... The fact is that it's segregation plain and simple, and that, my decisively not friend, is a very dangerous road to walk down. Intolerance for the sake of one's aesthetic preference is often used by many people for many reasons. Having seen what it devolves into first hand, i ask you where would it stop?

Would opinions be next, races? skin color? After all if it's just my screen it's not hurting anyone right?

Should it be ever so important no one and nothing from getting an RP group to run content with. That way, all of you "Purist" can enjoy your perfect utopia, free of that stupid frog outfit and bikini armor of fending.

It is not acceptable to feel so entitled, that one believes their sensibilities should not be violated by another's lacking of their personal taste. May as well just threaten to build a wall, segregating a whole people to the other side of the continent... You know like Gaius did? FYI... He's a villain.

[Alleo]

Honestly I just wish that they had never introduced those full animal clothes. A lot of the other stuff can be fine and ignored in cutscenes but a whole frog? Or the rabbit that is soon coming? Thankfully I can run most of the dungeons now with squadron and the trusts..but sadly I still have to see these costumes in trial cutscenes. Really takes away from the scenes..

SE it would be great to at least take away the other players in cutscenes (most of the times it should only be us anyway) or be able to play normal trials with trusts too.

In cities I can at least go out of my way to ignore really tacky outfits. (Which for me are mostly those animal ones) But in a cutscene I am kinda forced to look at them because they are soo out of it.

[SoloWingMetatron]

I've played them most. Cloud, Squall, Tera, Zidane didn't spend the ENTIRE game fighting the forces of opposition in a string bikini with summer sunglasses. it makes your character look stupid. And I'd like the option to hide it. That way you can "Express yourself" all you want, but people who want a more final fantasy/serious experience don't have to look at ridiculous characters that don't make any sense.

FF9's Kuja literally has his thong on show for the entirety of the game. The flame elite's loincloth looks strikingly similar to the lower half of his outfit. It is a piece I use in a few of my glams as I like similar aesthetics to Kuja. So as you can see, it does not always break the theme and feel of FF..