It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[Skolopendrokot]

Alacran, thinking that everyone is obliged to accept your outfit because you want to express yourself by running around as a Playboy bunny girl or super yaoi skimpy-kinky kitty boy is about feeling entitled yourself, because you think that your rights are more important than rights of players who don't feel comofortable by having oversexualized characters around. That's why I wrote about respecting each other. It would be rude and not fair to tell people they should change their gear, but it would be unfair to force people to feel good with your aesthetic taste, too. That's why I think that hiding gear would be good option for everyone, honestly.

[SoloWingMetatron]

I'd bet money that a hide glamour option will never be a thing. It's a waste of resources for something that would just show everyone you see wearing mismatched gear and will therefore look equally as immersion breaking..this is a badly thought out idea. When you share a virtual world with thousands of people you're going to see all types of aesthetics. Some will not be to your taste and some will. However these virtual worlds are not about you and never will be. This is the nature of MMO's and to complain about other players wearing immersion breaking glamours is kinda tone deaf. Especially in a game where we have a 24-man Neir raid crossover...you want to focus on out of place glams?....pfft bless.

[Alacran]

Alacran, thinking that everyone is obliged to accept your outfit because you want to express yourself by running around as a Playboy bunny girl or super yaoi skimpy-kinky kitty boy is about feeling entitled yourself, because you think that your rights are more important than rights of players who don't feel comofortable by having oversexualized characters around. That's why I wrote about respecting each other. It would be rude and not fair to tell people they should change their gear, but it would be unfair to force people to feel good with your aesthetic taste, too. That's why I think that hiding gear would be good option for everyone, honestly.

People work damn hard for some of these items, some cost real world currency. Some even were the result of the effort of trusted, treasured friends (My own Cronu Lux for example), invalidating that effort due to your bias is simply wrong.

I asked where would it end? I have yet to get an answer, until then, I stand by my statements.

[Joven]

People work damn hard for some of these items, some cost real world currency. Some even were the result of the effort of trusted, treasured friends (My own Cronu Lux for example), invalidating that effort due to your bias is simply wrong.

I asked where would it end? I have yet to get an answer, until then, I stand by my statements.

I and many others glamour for ourselves. Any glamour items worked for or bought are solely for our entertainment. Expecting others to appreciate how "damn hard" you've worked for a piece of gear to show off is petty. As far as where it would end: that's entirely up the devs. to decide what to implement or not based on their own judgement.

[Barachim]

I have Glamours I am extremely proud of myself. I also worked hard to aquire certain weapons in the game that took a lot of time, effort and gil. If some random player I have never interacted with in my life doesn't want to see any of that, why the heck would I even care? I made the Glamour for myself. The person who's supposed to get the most enjoyment out of it is myself.

[SoloWingMetatron]

I have Glamours I am extremely proud of myself. I also worked hard to aquire certain weapons in the game that took a lot of time, effort and gil. If some random player I have never interacted with in my life doesn't want to see any of that, why the heck would I even care? I made the Glamour for myself. The person who's supposed to get the most enjoyment out of it is myself.

And this is exactly why this thread has devolved into absolute nonsense...people talking about needing to be tolerant about peoples glamours on an imaginary character. In an imaginary game. Like it's some important social political topic...as if players are getting harassed or facing discrimination for having particular types of glamours. Complaining about immersion breaking glamours is so incredibly tone deaf and such a none issue...You guys must be living pretty nice lives if this is the kinda thing you think is of any worth fighting for...Jesus. #GlamLivesMatter

[Krotoan]

Except their ability to to express themselves. Does that not matter at all?

... weird.. I keep saying it and you're not hearing it. They can express themselves until they run out of fantasia money, I just don't want to have to see it. If my option removed the ability for ANYONE ELSE BUT ME to see someone's glams when I toggled it you would have a point. But it wouldn't.. or shouldn't anyway. Somewhere back in the morass of this thread I said this but I'll say it again, there is a huge difference between "you cannot wear this" and "I don't want to see this".

I don't want to see Lala and Hrothgar, i feel both races do not fit the aesthetic of the game. I'm more for subtle variance between the races, the fact that many gear options have only limited viewing area on both these races due to posture, build, ect... supports this.

Not really. The idea that because someone is short or hunched over or small or long or cannot wear a hat so that gear looks DIFFERENT on them is hardly an argument for them not "belonging".

However that is only my opinion. I am not, should not, would not, want to have the game world only cater to my taste. For all my faults, i am not so intolerant of others ability to express themselves.

Accept that you have likes and dislikes and that that's OK. Nobody else has a right to determine your personal tastes, you just don't have a right to tell other people that their likes and dislikes are "wrong", and unless they are being forced upon you , you shouldn't really say anything if you don't like their choices. The video game medium however allows customization WITHOUT affecting anothers experience visibly though, something which has NO parallel in the real world. Knowing and acting upon your likes and dislikes when they affect nobody else isn't intolerance.

Explain it all however you like with that whole "it's only my screen
' bs... The fact is that it's segregation plain and simple, and that, my decisively not friend, is a very dangerous road to walk down. Intolerance for the sake of one's aesthetic preference is often used by many people for many reasons. Having seen what it devolves into first hand, i ask you where would it stop?

Please look up "slippery slope logical fallacy". It's a very tenuous position to argue from. People have attempted the "if you give a mouse a cookie" argument before in this thread and the blunt truth is the Devs will stop it when it gets out of hand. If this particular option is either out of hand or something they do not wish to implement, it won't happen. Simple as that. Again, don't equate intolerance with customizing ones own perception. I tolerate everyone else just fine. Do whatever the heck you want, and over here in MY ROOM I'll do what I want.

Would opinions be next, races? skin color? After all if it's just my screen it's not hurting anyone right?

You can already mute people so there goes that. You PERSONALLY have a racial (ingame) problem.. so .. weird you'd argue that. And no, if you managed to changed everyone on YOUR screen to humans or whatever with one skin tone it wouldn't hurt ANYONE. Your reasons behind it might be a little suspect but the option in and of itself harms nobody.

Should it be ever so important no one and nothing from getting an RP group to run content with. That way, all of you "Purist" can enjoy your perfect utopia, free of that stupid frog outfit and bikini armor of fending.

.. what? Are you saying that people using this option should only be able to group with each other?

It is not acceptable to feel so entitled, that one believes their sensibilities should not be violated by another's lacking of their personal taste. May as well just threaten to build a wall, segregating a whole people to the other side of the continent... You know like Gaius did? FYI... He's a villain.

Once again, taking my want to customize MY experience on MY hardware that affects absolutely nobody else and comparing it to the idea of racial cleansing is absolute tumblrworrywart twaddlespeak. You are one step away from godwins law.

[Aelin_Ashryver]

Except their ability to to express themselves. Does that not matter at all?


' bs... The fact is that it's segregation plain and simple,


It is not acceptable to feel so entitled, that one believes their sensibilities should not be violated by another's lacking of their personal taste. May as well just threaten to build a wall, segregating a whole people to the other side of the continent... You know like Gaius did? FYI... He's a villain.

To further quote you, " but only pairs you up with people who also click that option. There compromise. You can play with yours and I can play with mine." The one who has actually suggested ANY form of segregation is you. You are so intolerant to the people who would use such a function you wouldn't want to run a dungeon with them?
Not only that you say it is their sensibilities that is the issue? Well it's your and others personal sensibilities and feelings that is the argument against so don't act like you're any better. There is no suppression, players would in no way be having their ability to express themselves removed. They can still carry on doing their thing roleplaying as a chocobo or enjoying being a bikini kitty.
It's not acceptable to feel like the rest of the world has to accept your every value and opinion and if they don't then they get labled a "bigot" or other such buzz word. This feature is nothing but a compromise, so people can enjoy playing their game.

And a slippery slope argument is just plain bad. We both know if someone came to SE and asked to remove black characters from the game it would be a big fat no, or more likely just be totally ignored. There is a difference between racism and simply not wanting to see a person running around with a giant bird head when you are trying to role play. To try and equate the two is just disingenuous and to me ludicrous to think one could actually lead to the other.

[Penthea]

And a slippery slope argument is just plain bad. We both know if someone came to SE and asked to remove black characters from the game it would be a big fat no, or more likely just be totally ignored. There is a difference between racism and simply not wanting to see a person running around with a giant bird head when you are trying to role play. To try and equate the two is just disingenuous and to me ludicrous to think one could actually lead to the other.

What of those who admitted they want unglam so they do not have to see men in dresses?

While it's not racism, there are definite hints at sexism or being against seeing some part of the LGBTQ group expressing themselves. Sure sometimes a man wearing a dress is doing it for lols, but sometimes a male character wearing typically feminine looking outfits is simply a person who likes to look this way.

If a person wants unglam because they think certain outfits should only be worn by certain genders then what they want isn't really unglam...it's the restoration of gender locking.

And would unglamming even work to the degree people want it? If unglam comes to the game everyone would know. There would be pushback against it. Players could just go back to the old fashioned way of glamming and wear the actual gear they would have glammed in to so that someone unglamming them couldn't remove their outfits. It would be very easy to still be seen how you choose to while you're in a non-combat zone.

And no the slippery slope isn't disingenuous. In the beginning players were mostly only asking for the bunny outfit to be for all genders. Since getting that now a great deal of players want all gear to have no gender locking, and threads relating to it pop up frequently especially during in-game events. When the Trust system came to the game some players wanted it to be expanded to include trials. When major npc outfits became available on the Mog Station players wanted more outfits of other npcs. When combat job skip potions came to the game some players then wanted DoH and DoL skip potions. I could go on for a long time.

I would be shocked if unglamming didn't inspire players to ask for other ways to customise how other players look. The inevitably of players always asking for more than what they have is constant. However whether SE give in to those demands is another thing altogether. But just because SE would never do something does not mean no one would ask for it.

[Skolopendrokot]

Alacran, again - if you want people to feel obliged to admire your glamour just because you spent a lot of time and money on it, it's about feeling entitled. Seriously. Please read Barachim's post. I think he just got to the point.

I personally do not think that we will get the option and I wasn't going to ask for it, but after coming back to the game after a short break I started to understand people who want to hide some outfits.