It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[Krotoan]

Why are people so obsessed with the above?
I don't get it. I see so many offensive things in real life that are far more annoying than a dude hopping around in a bunny suit (which basically only makes me chuckle).

Where does this urge and logic of "I don't like this, I shouldn't have to see it!" come from?

Obsessed? What makes you think anyone is obsessed? I just like to customize my experience. Customization in my games is probably one of my favorite things. tailoring the experience to MY likes and wants.

The logic is: I am playing a game I pay for a license to access , on hardware I bought, for an experience I mostly have control over. An option to see what I'd like to see on my own equipment that wouldn't affect ANYONE else seems pretty innocuous and self explanatory.

In real life I have physical laws and social niceties I have to observe, like I cannot magically make the world look as I wish and I absolutely have no right to tell someone else they should change how they look just because I don't like it.

My question right back at you is how can you not differentiate the difference between wishing to customize a video game you play and interacting with the "real world"?

[Granyala]

My question right back at you is how can you not differentiate the difference between wishing to customize a video game you play and interacting with the "real world"?

I see no distinction. In both cases you wish to remove things that offend you on a personal level.

Only difference is: IRL there is usually nothing you can do about it, here in a game you think you can demand it from the developer.
You can demand all you want but the DEV is under no obligation to cater to your whim.

I find common ad-ridden radio and mainstream music super annoying and I often wish I had a pocket sized EMP ready to shut these devices up, so I am quite familiar with the desire to remove things from my perception I disagree with.

that wouldn't affect ANYONE else

It has been established that the above is not true.
Repeating it won't change that fact.

Though if I did have the option to alter how things or people looked through my vision only without anyone else knowing I would do it.

You can. People have been doing it for years in pretty much any MMO I know of.
It's close to never official though and if the DEVs finds out you are doing it, your account is toast.

[Barachim]

I see no distinction. In both cases you wish to remove things that offend you on a personal level.

On our end. The person with the glamour would not be affected and still wear their glamour and never even know that they glamour doesn't appear on our screen.

Only difference is: IRL there is usually nothing you can do about it, here in a game you think you can demand it from the developer.
You can demand all you want but the DEV is under no obligation to cater to your whim.

Not demanding. Suggesting and asking for a nice to have feature.

I find common ad-ridden radio and mainstream music super annoying and I often wish I had a pocket sized EMP ready to shut these devices up, so I am quite familiar with the desire to remove things from my perception I disagree with.

Except your example isn't remotely like the feature people have been suggesting. We're suggesting a feature that works only client site, affecting only the person who decides to use the feature and doesn't affect anyone else's experience with the game.

It has been established that the above is not true.
Repeating it won't change that fact.

Ok, then please explain how a client site only Glamour Toggle feature would affect everyone else?

[Granyala]

Ok, then please explain how a client site only Glamour Toggle feature would affect everyone else?

Because I lose control over how my character is displayed on the screens of a significant portion of the playerbase.
Simple as that.

That affects me, esp as a role player.

So the statement "nobody is affected" is simply: false.

[Lauront]

Because I lose control over how my character is displayed on the screens of a significant portion of the playerbase.
Simple as that.

That affects me, esp as a role player.

So the statement "nobody is affected" is simply: false.

Hmmm no, you only "lose" control over how people who don't like how your character looks being able to block it from their end. Note: he said "everyone else". The original comment also referred to anyone but the person whose glamour is being blocked and yet here you are referring to yourself as a counter-example to a statement Krotoan did not make in the first place.

As for you being a roleplayer, I fail to see what difference it makes. Do you think the people you roleplay with would use the feature on you? Or are we talking about randoms who you're not really roleplaying with in any sense, anyway?

[Awha]

Because I lose control over how my character is displayed on the screens of a significant portion of the playerbase.
Simple as that.

That affects me, esp as a role player.

So the statement "nobody is affected" is simply: false.

In the grand scheme what are the chances of you finding out the person has the feature enabled? At large it would require you to make the assumption that most people will use the feature for it to impact you personally.

[Granyala]

In the grand scheme what are the chances of you finding out the person has the feature enabled? At large it would require you to make the assumption that most people will use the feature for it to impact you personally.

Well there is no way to know unless people start talking about it. It's the same situation with the mods right now, I am sure, me wearing the lv80 WHM class gear, I will be half naked on some screens, aye.

Still I don't want to increase the number of players that view Ifalna differently than I do, so I voice my concerns against such an option, as is my right. I don't have to convince you, you don't have to convince me. It's up to SE to decide what is best.

How close are y'all's cameras that you can even see what other people are wearing? If I'm in a duty I'm so zoomed out/focusing on the game that I can't be bothered paying attention to what glamour someone has on.

In duties, typically max range.
In idle times, so that Ifalnas feet touch the bottom of the game window. After all, I want to see my cat and other chars.

And do try to come up with a better argument than "I want them to see my glamour."

Erm no?
Wanting others to see your glamour is like half the reason the feature exists in the first place.
The other half would be to see it yourself.

[Awha]

Well there is no way to know unless people start talking about it. It's the same situation with the mods right now, I am sure, me wearing the lv80 WHM class gear, I will be half naked on some screens, aye.

Still I don't want to increase the number of players that view Ifalna differently than I do, so I voice my concerns against such an option, as is my right. I don't have to convince you, you don't have to convince me. It's up to SE to decide what is best.



In duties, typically max range.
In idle times, so that Ifalnas feet touch the bottom of the game window. After all, I want to see my cat and other chars.

I am not trying to say you do not have a right to voice your dislike for an idea, it just seems like for a lot of people the dislike from the idea comes from a place of pure emotion which makes the idea come off personal attack on another persons choice which I do not think is fair to the idea itself. In the end I do strongly believe if people looked past the personal aspect of someone not seeing their character the way they desire, and just approached it from the perspective of more options that would allow the player base to adjust their in game experience, far less people would be against the idea out of what appears to be spite. Not saying this is why you are against the idea, just seems as if that is the underlying reason.

Oh yeah, my intention is not to come off as personally attacking anyone. But I do try to speak hard truths at times which might come across that way. Either way, I don't have to agree with those vehemently supporting the idea. I'm just vehemently against it for any and all of the reasons I've given. I would also like to point out, again, that I started out as impartial. I really did. What changed? Ridiculous posts for and against. Were it not for those I might have actually wound up on the side supporting this option, because on its own I don't have an issue with it. I suppose it is like you you said, spite. That might not be entirely fair but it is what it is. I was driven to it. Do I think this feature is unnecessary? Yeah. But its addition probably wouldn't affect me, so it would likely be a non issue. I just think it's a waste of time. People disagree with that, and that's fine. They have a right to. I also have the right to disagree in return.

I agree people are free to disagree with others, and the aspect of waste of resources is a fair, while I disagree with the claim it would be a waste due us having other features that allow players to have control over soical aspects of the game, that is just my view of the matter. My issue is when others make it seem like it is a personal attack on ones choice, or how others many pages ago made it seem like it was inherently wrong due to potential bigotry in nature. That is all I was trying to convey.

[Barachim]

Because I lose control over how my character is displayed on the screens of a significant portion of the playerbase.
Simple as that.

That affects me, esp as a role player.

So the statement "nobody is affected" is simply: false.

This just makes you sound like an attention seeker, for whom it's just unthinkable that there could be players out there who'd have the audacity to not be in awe at the sight of you.

But by the same logic I guess we should rectroactively remove the blacklist now. Since there are players out there who have not the slightest interest in RP, but could be missing out on your peformance, if you happen to be on their Blacklist.


Anyway, if you're so invested in RP, I am pretty certain you'd have a dedicated group of people you RP with. Or are located on a server where RP among random players is more common. So again, how's giving random players the choice to toggle Glamour OFF, going to affect your personal gaming experience? And do try to come up with a better argument than "I want them to see my glamour."

[Krotoan]

I see no distinction. In both cases you wish to remove things that offend you on a personal level.

Because in one case it's actual real life where it would affect people directly and conflicts with known laws of physics and reality. The other it's a mutable environment with options available that impact nothing perceivable on anyone's side but the user.

There is a gigantic difference between walking up to someone and telling them they cannot wear something because you don't like it and quietly changing only your perception so you do not have to see it.

Only difference is: IRL there is usually nothing you can do about it, here in a game you think you can demand it from the developer.
You can demand all you want but the DEV is under no obligation to cater to your whim.

Who says it's a demand? It's an ask and several people supporting the idea. Of course they're not under obligation, however if enough people are interested in the option it's worth looking into.

I find common ad-ridden radio and mainstream music super annoying and I often wish I had a pocket sized EMP ready to shut these devices up, so I am quite familiar with the desire to remove things from my perception I disagree with.

And this would DESTROY peoples devices. Quite different.

It has been established that the above is not true.
Repeating it won't change that fact.

The only thing established is that there are people who the very idea that someone will not see them as they've carefully crafted distresses them. Perceptibly NOTHING would change for them. While I don't dismiss the fact that this is a problem to consider, there is no perceivable effect, only psychological.