It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[Theodric]

How close are y'all's cameras that you can even see what other people are wearing? If I'm in a duty I'm so zoomed out/focusing on the game that I can't be bothered paying attention to what glamour someone has on.

It's a matter of perception. People see the world differently to others for various reasons. What some people don't notice is something others can't help but see and the reverse is true as well. I don't want to get too deep into off-topic territory, though it ties in with how different people will look at a particular photograph with a lot going on in it and focus on different elements. If that makes any sense.

[ApolloGenX]

I see no reason why this shouldn't be allowed. You have no idea what other players see, regardless.... so this just gives us more control over what we see.... and I would also say that I do control what I see in real life to a certain degree. I avoid certain places, go to certain places, live where I live, etc.. intentionally.

[Barachim]

Because I lose control over how my character is displayed on the screens of a significant portion of the playerbase.
Simple as that.

That affects me, esp as a role player.

So the statement "nobody is affected" is simply: false.

This just makes you sound like an attention seeker, for whom it's just unthinkable that there could be players out there who'd have the audacity to not be in awe at the sight of you.

But by the same logic I guess we should rectroactively remove the blacklist now. Since there are players out there who have not the slightest interest in RP, but could be missing out on your peformance, if you happen to be on their Blacklist.


Anyway, if you're so invested in RP, I am pretty certain you'd have a dedicated group of people you RP with. Or are located on a server where RP among random players is more common. So again, how's giving random players the choice to toggle Glamour OFF, going to affect your personal gaming experience? And do try to come up with a better argument than "I want them to see my glamour."

[Granyala]

In the grand scheme what are the chances of you finding out the person has the feature enabled? At large it would require you to make the assumption that most people will use the feature for it to impact you personally.

Well there is no way to know unless people start talking about it. It's the same situation with the mods right now, I am sure, me wearing the lv80 WHM class gear, I will be half naked on some screens, aye.

Still I don't want to increase the number of players that view Ifalna differently than I do, so I voice my concerns against such an option, as is my right. I don't have to convince you, you don't have to convince me. It's up to SE to decide what is best.

How close are y'all's cameras that you can even see what other people are wearing? If I'm in a duty I'm so zoomed out/focusing on the game that I can't be bothered paying attention to what glamour someone has on.

In duties, typically max range.
In idle times, so that Ifalnas feet touch the bottom of the game window. After all, I want to see my cat and other chars.

And do try to come up with a better argument than "I want them to see my glamour."

Erm no?
Wanting others to see your glamour is like half the reason the feature exists in the first place.
The other half would be to see it yourself.

[Awha]

Well there is no way to know unless people start talking about it. It's the same situation with the mods right now, I am sure, me wearing the lv80 WHM class gear, I will be half naked on some screens, aye.

Still I don't want to increase the number of players that view Ifalna differently than I do, so I voice my concerns against such an option, as is my right. I don't have to convince you, you don't have to convince me. It's up to SE to decide what is best.



In duties, typically max range.
In idle times, so that Ifalnas feet touch the bottom of the game window. After all, I want to see my cat and other chars.

I am not trying to say you do not have a right to voice your dislike for an idea, it just seems like for a lot of people the dislike from the idea comes from a place of pure emotion which makes the idea come off personal attack on another persons choice which I do not think is fair to the idea itself. In the end I do strongly believe if people looked past the personal aspect of someone not seeing their character the way they desire, and just approached it from the perspective of more options that would allow the player base to adjust their in game experience, far less people would be against the idea out of what appears to be spite. Not saying this is why you are against the idea, just seems as if that is the underlying reason.

Oh yeah, my intention is not to come off as personally attacking anyone. But I do try to speak hard truths at times which might come across that way. Either way, I don't have to agree with those vehemently supporting the idea. I'm just vehemently against it for any and all of the reasons I've given. I would also like to point out, again, that I started out as impartial. I really did. What changed? Ridiculous posts for and against. Were it not for those I might have actually wound up on the side supporting this option, because on its own I don't have an issue with it. I suppose it is like you you said, spite. That might not be entirely fair but it is what it is. I was driven to it. Do I think this feature is unnecessary? Yeah. But its addition probably wouldn't affect me, so it would likely be a non issue. I just think it's a waste of time. People disagree with that, and that's fine. They have a right to. I also have the right to disagree in return.

I agree people are free to disagree with others, and the aspect of waste of resources is a fair, while I disagree with the claim it would be a waste due us having other features that allow players to have control over soical aspects of the game, that is just my view of the matter. My issue is when others make it seem like it is a personal attack on ones choice, or how others many pages ago made it seem like it was inherently wrong due to potential bigotry in nature. That is all I was trying to convey.

[Vahlnir]

I am not trying to say you do not have a right to voice your dislike for an idea, it just seems like for a lot of people the dislike from the idea comes from a place of pure emotion which makes the idea come off personal attack on another persons choice which I do not think is fair to the idea itself. That is all.

Oh yeah, my intention is not to come off as personally attacking anyone. But I do try to speak hard truths at times which might come across that way. Either way, I don't have to agree with those vehemently supporting the idea. I'm just vehemently against it for any and all of the reasons I've given. I would also like to point out, again, that I started out as impartial. I really did. What changed? Ridiculous posts for and against. Were it not for those I might have actually wound up on the side supporting this option, because on its own I don't have an issue with it. I suppose it is like you you said, spite. That might not be entirely fair but it is what it is. I was driven to it. Do I think this feature is unnecessary? Yeah. But its addition probably wouldn't affect me, so it would likely be a non issue. I just think it's a waste of time. People disagree with that, and that's fine. They have a right to. I also have the right to disagree in return.

[Arillyn]

I'm still waiting for an answer from earlier on how people would resolve the gear you don't want to see that isn't glamoured but is real battle gear that is a bikini or a dress on a male character. How do you propose that would be addressed? And blacklisting gear you don't like really doesn't seem to be a viable option to me. I mean WHY in the world would the devs agree to do that so the battle gear they took the time to create can be blacklisted so people don't have to see it? That just makes no sense.

I mean I really do understand where both sides are coming from - some glamours people don't like to see. I get it. However, there is BATTLE gear, not even glamours, that fit some descriptions of gear that some people said they don't want to see on other characters. I mean why don't you just ask the devs "please stop making gear that shows skin like bikini gear or stop making caster/healer gear that looks like a dress or skirt on male characters."

[Granyala]

I am not trying to say you do not have a right to voice your dislike for an idea, it just seems like for a lot of people the dislike from the idea comes from a place of pure emotion which makes the idea come off personal attack on another persons choice which I do not think is fair to the idea itself. In the end I do strongly believe if people looked past the personal aspect of someone not seeing their character the way they desire, and just approached it from the perspective of more options that would allow the player base to adjust their in game experience, far less people would be against the idea out of what appears to be spite. Not saying this is why you are against the idea, just seems as if that is the underlying reason.

Why do we dress a certain way, both IRL and in game (environmental aspects excluded)?
Because we want to elicit emotional responses in both, ourself and others. There is no logical reason to follow popular fashion trends, setting your own trend, etc.
So of course, any arguments relating that topic will be emotion based.

As others have already stated: there is no detrimental gameplay related effect of any kind here.

I am not against this "out of spite". I generally don't like people appearing differently on my screen compared to others.
That's also a reason why I would not use any gear related mods because I would no longer see characters the way they were intended to be seen by other players.

I'm still waiting for an answer from earlier on how people would resolve the gear you don't want to see that isn't glamoured but is real battle gear that is a bikini or a dress on a male character.

I think the most popular option was to create a base template, class based and replace any char gear with that.
Basically you would play clone wars, with every WAR looking exactly the same.

This would require minimal DEV effort and could be done client side, so no server strain either.

[kujoestars]

I feel like the people for the idea are at least as, if not more, vehemently charged about what displays on a screen. Personally, while I dislike the idea, I wouldn’t really be that pissed if SE actually implements it, provided they’ve figured out a good solution that doesn’t hit all the problems people have already pointed out.

As for the guy who basically went “lol, by ur logic, we don’t need blacklists or profanity filters uwu”, that’s a false equivalent considering blacklists serve as harassment protection while profanity filters serve to control content that SE can’t manage (and not to mention is LOADS simpler to code; just stick every cuss words you know in).

Glams ON THE OTHER HAND, are all content created by SE. Everything is there because they want everyone to see and experience it properly. It’s completely different from players and their words, which are out of SE’s control.

And no, a glam that offends you isn’t “harassment”, so blacklist logic doesn’t work here. “Sexual themes” is listed on the tin, people. Frankly, if you can’t handle a bit of PG-13 undies, this isn’t the game for you. :1

Regardless, this still leaves the issue of wtf is the hypothetical filter supposed to do if someone is wearing the offending gear instead of glamming. I cannot see any solution that would not step on any supposed hyperperceptive person’s toes.

Naked? Defeats the point. Generic shirt/leggings? Gonna bug someone, I guarantee it. Big censor blur? That sounds like it’s going to be very visually unpleasant even if you ignore the sensory issue (which btw, I have where games are concerned; my game blurs on me in highly visual duties already and OUCH).

There’s really no winning with a glam filter because SOMEONE is going to be displeased.

And it’s for that reason I highly doubt SE is going bother at all with this. You can’t please everyone because censoring subjective fashion is not as simple as censoring objective curse words with question marks.

[ElazulHP]

This thread still around? Yikes, are people really that butt hurt over men in wedding dresses in a video game? Please don't ever leave your homes. You might see a man wearing some female clothing in real life then die of a stroke lol...