Can we please delay Savage?

[Valorak]

Everything here is a first world problem. This forum is for a game. Nice try at trying to diminish the issue.

Players are unable to find a solution that allows them to experience the story as it is intended to be without interfering with being a competitive raider. They can only do one or the other. Now please do enlighten me as to how players are supposed to solve this issue without intervention from SE.

The same way that anyone decides what they should do with their free time. Choose the one that's most important to you.

I don't have enough free time to do Savage at all. I don't ask for special concessions to make the game more accessible to my schedule though. If Savage was really that important to me then I could try to sacrifice/reorganize free time that I spend on other things.

Regardless, even though I don't think that it's necessary, I've already stated that I don't care if they implement the delay. As long as that's actually what most people want, I'm okay with putting up with any inconvenience that causes to how I like to play on patch days. My problem is more with the attitudes that are prevalent in this topic. Attitudes such as the one shown in your quote below this.

Yes I'm sure delaying savage is going to cause some trauma especially considering it already gets delayed at expansion launches and no one really seems to mind even if they lvl up and gear up fast enough to do it sooner.

Why would anyone care about your problems when you just dismiss their problems without a second thought? A post ago you were accusing me of deriving pleasure from your suffering, but now you can't spare a shred of empathy for the problems that other people have? What's with that?

If you aren't willing to compromise or at least respect the problems of others then I don't think that you deserve compromise or respect in return.

If you want to see ridiculous I suggest you go to that trainwreck thread about hiding other people's glams because some people can't deal with the fact that a frog suit exists and bikini glams ruin their day.

Honestly, I don't see much of a difference between that thread and this one. They're both about someone requesting a concession for their particular play-style. I don't consider this thread to be more legitimate than the other just because competitive raiding is seen as more important by the people that participate in it.

[Penthea]

The same way that anyone decides what they should do with their free time. Choose the one that's most important to you.

I don't have enough free time to do Savage at all. I don't ask for special concessions to make the game more accessible to my schedule though. If Savage was really that important to me then I could try to sacrifice/reorganize free time that I spend on other things..

There is a difference between "I do not have enough free time for savage" and "competitive raiders have to skip cutscenes to stay competitive". The first one is purely a life circumstance, the other is the form of content release being punishing to a certain type of player regardless of their life circumstance. Even if you have patch day off it's still rush rush rush, especially if you are also crafting and gathering for gear.

Why would anyone care about your problems when you just dismiss their problems without a second thought? A post ago you were accusing me of deriving pleasure from your suffering, but now you can't spare a shred of empathy for the problems that other people have? What's with that?

These aren't actually my problems. I'm a casual raider. The proposed content release delay will have little to no effect on me. However in the past I was a hardcore raider in another game so I can very easily empathise with those who feel the current form of content release is stressful and actually negatively impacts storytelling.

OP's desired content release pattern already happens at expansion launch. If SE can do it then, then they can do it for other patches as well. OP isn't asking for something the game hasn't seen before.

I did not personally accuse you of anything. Read it again:

It's as if some of you enjoy that competitive raiders must sacrifice their enjoyment in other parts of the game in order to sustain their activities. Awful.

[technole]

It's as if some of you enjoy that competitive raiders must sacrifice their enjoyment in other parts of the game in order to sustain their activities. Awful.

You make a choice by alarm-clocking savage, skip NM cutscenes or be cut. Savage tier lasts six months. The majority do not world race savage. The <1% shouldn't dictate this decision.

[Penthea]

You make a choice by alarm-clocking savage, skip NM cutscenes or be cut. Savage tier lasts six months. The majority do not world race savage. The <1% shouldn't dictate this decision.

What is your opinion on the savage delay at expansion launches then? Do you consider this to be a problem if you are against having this throughout all patches?

[Valorak]

There is a difference between "I do not have enough free time for savage" and "competitive raiders have to skip cutscenes to stay competitive". The first one is purely a life circumstance, the other is the form of content release being punishing to a certain type of player regardless of their life circumstance. Even if you have patch day off it's still rush rush rush, especially if you are also crafting and gathering for gear.

That's true, the comparison isn't perfect. That said, it's still just a problem derived from lack of time.

In a perfect world they could have it both ways without negatively affecting others, but that's unfortunately not the case here. That's why I'd be happy with whatever side is the true majority (if the devs decided to measure and adhere to that).

These aren't actually my problems. I'm a casual raider. The proposed content release delay will have little to no affect on me. However in the past I was a hardcore raider in another game so I can very easily empathise with those who feel the current form of content release is stressful and actually negatively impacts storytelling.

OP's desired content release pattern already happens at expansion launch. If SE can do it then, then they can do it for other patches as well. OP isn't asking for something the game hasn't seen before.

The fact that the delay happens at the start of the expansion doesn't really negate the fact that this delay would cause problems for people during the ensuing patches.

I did not personally accuse you of anything. Read it again:

Oh I don't really care if you were accusing me personally or if it was just towards people in general. My point was that you (and too many other people in here) are making those types of accusations and asking for understanding or empathy, but then you turn around and wave away the notion that any problems with the delay are legitimate.

I'm not sure if it's a self-awareness blind spot or if people are just being actively selfish. Either way, I think it's hypocritical to request empathy when there isn't any being given in return.

[Penthea]

The fact that the delay happens at the start of the expansion doesn't really negate the fact that this delay would cause problems for people during the ensuing patches.

Genuine question: what problems would they cause?

Part of the issue is that SE do not really say when a patch is until the release is very close, so for some people it makes it very difficult to book time off work. With a delay on savage players obviously would have a more opportunity to make time for it. More than just hardcore players would benefit from this.

Anyone interested in the story doesn't want to skip it, and the current situation means competitive players have to choose between their desired raid environment or the story. This problem doesn't exist at expansion launches due to the delay. Furthermore I don't see anyone even complaining about that delay...so why is it such a bad thing to have it be standard for every tier? Why is it only okay for the first tier, but not the rest? Why are people able to be patient enough for the first tier, but not the rest? Savage isn't even the bulk of the patch content, far from it. This delay wouldn't even register on most player's radar because most don't even touch savage.

Due to the fact that we have the delay at expansion launch without controversy, I am puzzled as to how having it for every tier could cause issues. What is wrong with having every tier's patch content release act the same way? If it doesn't cause issues at the first tier, why would it for the rest?

[Sebazy]

People already generally hate the idea of delaying the 1/3 of savage tiers, yes.

Hi!

Please cite your sources for this, thanks <3

Ps, I've been in many of the most accomplished raid and progression focused FC's in the EU over the years including Solitude, Exordium, Angered and Entropy. I've never seen any complaints about how the first savage tier release timing has been handled since HW. And as one of the more midcore members in a retirement home team (My team usually clears on week 2) the steady drip feed of content on that first tier actually keeps us engaged with the game for longer. With this patch we're likely to get our 8 clears and then we're done until 5.4 and that's even more the case for the hardcore teams.

The speed at which players chew through content now coupled with SE's unwillingness to invest the money back into this game that it truly deserves means that the staggered content patches are a sad reality that is probably needed to stop the end game population truly collapsing pre patch.

[Tadertots]

I'm for it, sure. It would immensely cut down the stress for hardcore raiders and world firsters who have to aggressively rush to gather, craft, overmeld, and clear normal as fast as humanly possible to start the prog for world first racing. They'd have a week for prep and to organize everything that needs to be taken care of.

Yet like 2? 3? people against this change have gone on record in this thread saying "I don't care either way" so....why ya'll fighting so damn bad if it doesn't even affect you. Nobody cares about your white knighting for something that isn't even a problem.

[Coatl]

I've been asking for them to delay the subsequent tiers for awhile now. The first tier is so nice since you have a whole week to prep for the raid tier, but for the rest you have to scramble for.

[Kitfox]

As a raider who loves the week 1 challenge but also loves the story, I'm in favor of 1 week savage delay.