Can we please delay Savage?

[ForteNightshade]

While I know this only effects a small portion of the raid community, it is nonetheless extremely frustrating for many who are either attempting to clear Savage week one or even midcore groups who have Tuesday evening raid schedules with members unable to take time off work or school.

Speaking from my own experiences. As a crafter for my team, I essentially stayed up with the patch, spent all day crafting and rushed through Normal mode, skipping every cut scene along the way—something I prefer not to do. Alas, I simply didn't have the time to get everything done before raid. Several members of the team were in similar positions due to work. A good friend of mine never skips anything but this tier she had to.

Now I know some will argue either not to raid on Tuesday, postpone it or what have you. However, that missing the point. For anyone pursuing a week one kill, losing an entire day simply isn't an option. You want all the time possible for prog as it takes time to learn everything.

Even for groups not aspiring for week one. A new patch brings excitement for raid content. Say six members want to jump into Savage while two are more interested in the story. Who do you disappoint assuming no one can take time off work? Either you delay raid, thus upsetting the people eager to jump into it. Or you tell everyone to skip and whoever wants to watch cut scenes better have an alt.

All of this could easily be avoided with a one week delay for Savage, which has been requested multiple times now. I see no reason why both Normal and Savage have to be released together when they aren't at the beginning of the expansion.

Just something I wanted to get off my chest, especially with it once again being talked about apparently in a recent interview.

[van_arn]

If you want to be part of the first wave, make time for the first wave.

Delaying Savage would only postpone first wave problems.

If you can't make the time due to other commitments, then continue to take things at your own pace. You've already made the decision to play at your own pace, so it doesn't particularly matter to you if savage releases today or tomorrow or next month.

Others, however, want to dive into it as soon as they possibly can, even if that means skipping the story to set foot in there first.

Both playstayles are perfectly fine. Find a static that supports your chosen playstyle, whether that choice is yours or your situation.

[ForteNightshade]

If you want to be part of the first wave, make time for the first wave.

Delaying Savage would only postpone first wave problems by a week.

How does that make sense? If Savage were released a week later, people would have time to do the story should they choose, craft and essentially get preparation done without having to rush everything. Those "first wave problems," as you put it, only exist because the second and third Savage tiers come out alongside Normal mode. They don't with the first tier, which is why many raiders have been requesting this delay.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

How does that make sense? If Savage were released a week later, people would have time to do the story should they choose, craft and essentially get preparation done without having to rush everything. Those "first wave problems," as you put it, only exist because the second and third Savage tiers come out alongside Normal mode. They don't with the first tier, which is why many raiders have been requesting this delay.

Why not use the first week to gear up and do story, then go broke in savage the next week then? Essentially the same thing as pushing Savage back a week. Unless you just want "first week clears", but then, why not do those at minimum, gearing up while you can throughout the week? No need to rush things if you aren't going for world first afterall.

[van_arn]

Why not use the first week to gear up and do story, then go broke in savage the next week then? Essentially the same thing as pushing Savage back a week. Unless you just want "first week clears", but then, why not do those at minimum, gearing up while you can throughout the week? No need to rush things if you aren't going for world first afterall.

This one gets it.

Take your time if you'd prefer or are obligated to. But don't penalize the people that have made the time to make it happen.

First wave means first wave. If you breathe a word about commitments outside of the game, you're not in the running for first wave; those people have already settled those commitments the day the date was announced.

[HyoMinPark]

This one gets it.

Take your time if you'd prefer or are obligated to. But don't penalize the people that have made the time to make it happen.

How is delaying Savage’s release a week after a x.2 or x.4 patch punishing anyone? World Race raiders and Week 1 raiders can still make the time for the raid, so I fail to see how anyone is being penalized. The delay would obviously be announced in true SE fashion; it’s not like they’d say Savage is delayed a week the night of. It would become just as formulaic as everything else is in this game.

But by week 2, you can have 1-2 tome pieces on top of crafted gear. That weakens the difficulty no? Plus, in terms of the delayed weeks during expansion launches, the capped tome gear is also delayed, so you'd have to delay that too. Plus, isn't the crafted gear thats required for Savage for expansion launches also delayed until that 2nd week?

Not nearly as much as you are trying to imply with your post. I’ve only stated my personal goals, and I still find Week 2 challenging despite having a tome piece (since you would opt for body or pants if either are BiS) or two (assuming body/pants BiS for your jobs are Savage).

Even if they delay the crafted gear for the Savage patch, that would be better than what we have now. I like to enjoy both raiding and the story, and I couldn’t this tier because I can’t just request time off of work for video games. The developers stress delaying it for the first tier so that people can enjoy the story. Why can’t that be the case for all tiers?



Can anyone actually provide a solid reason why Savage shouldn’t be delayed a week?

[EaMett]

This one gets it.

Take your time if you'd prefer or are obligated to. But don't penalize the people that have made the time to make it happen.

First wave means first wave. If you breathe a word about commitments outside of the game, you're not in the running for first wave; those people have already settled those commitments the day the date was announced.

Can we talk about how them giving the official date out two weeks ahead of time is too short a notice >.> Especially if you need to give your job a month's heads up.

[HyoMinPark]

Why not use the first week to gear up and do story, then go broke in savage the next week then? Essentially the same thing as pushing Savage back a week. Unless you just want "first week clears", but then, why not do those at minimum, gearing up while you can throughout the week? No need to rush things if you aren't going for world first afterall.

Groups going for Week 1/Week 2 kills need crafted gear for at least the fourth fight—sometimes the third, depending. My goals now are Week 1/Week 2 kills because that’s when the content is at its most challenging. So I don’t see why Savage can’t just be released a week after the main patch. They seem to have no issue doing that for the first tier—so people can enjoy the story. What’s the problem with just doing it for every tier?

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Groups going for Week 1/Week 2 kills need crafted gear for at least the fourth fight—sometimes the third, depending. My goals now are Week 1/Week 2 kills because that’s when the content is at its most challenging. So I don’t see why Savage can’t just be released a week after the main patch. They seem to have no issue doing that for the first tier—so people can enjoy the story. What’s the problem with just doing it for every tier?

But by week 2, you can have 1-2 tome pieces on top of crafted gear. That weakens the difficulty no? Plus, in terms of the delayed weeks during expansion launches, the capped tome gear is also delayed, so you'd have to delay that too. Plus, isn't the crafted gear thats required for Savage for expansion launches also delayed until that 2nd week?

[SinisterJoints]

should they choose,

Gonna highlight a key phrase that makes this entire thread pointless. Your Character, Your Choice. Plain and simple. SE didnt make your static schedule, SE didnt make you join a static, SE didnt make you do the raids first, nor should SE cater to YOUR schedule. You dont want to race in the first week, then dont! it REALLY IS that simple.

Why not delay it a month?

Or you can just commit to doing it day 1 if its something you want to do day 1.

If you want to compete for world first clearing, then you make the choice to do that. Waking up early to make sure you get your gear and consumables crafted, or paying for those, is part of it. If you want to do it casually, then do it casually.

Exactly this, You can choose to NOT do the stuff in week 1. However, we cannot choose TO do it if its delayed a week. Forcing us to wait because you cant make a choice is not a valid solution.