Can we please delay Savage?

[Sebazy]

Well:

Pretty much this.

The pressure is every bit as much self inflicted as it is from the rest group, comparing it to smoking because of friends is just reaching. But then your entire contribution to this thread is little more than negativity against this subject for any given reason you can get your mits on despite the fact that it wouldn't even affect you in the slightest.

Truly sad. But go carry on as you will.

[Pepsi_Plunge]

despite the fact that it wouldn't even affect you in the slightest.

That's not true at all. I had two great raiding-evenings this week I wouldn't have had if they had Savage postponed one week.

[Sebazy]

That's not true at all. I had two great raiding-evenings this week I wouldn't have had when Savage was postponed one week.

Psst, Ruby weapon isn't Savage.

But carry on as you will.

[Pepsi_Plunge]

Psst, Ruby weapon isn't Savage.

But carry on as you will.

I see. Just because there aren't any FFlogs (because we haven't killed Ramuh yet in the ~4 Hours we spend there blind), it seems like it doesn't count in your eyes. Nice. Truely Elite.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

I see. Just because there aren't any FFlogs (because we haven't killed Ramuh yet in the ~4 Hours we spend there blind), it seems like it doesn't count in your eyes. Nice. Truely Elite.

My group doesn't even have logs for e5s yet, cuz they didn't exist when we cleared.

[Sebazy]

I see. Just because there aren't any FFlogs (because we haven't killed Ramuh yet), it seems like it doesn't count in your eyes. Nice. Truely Elite.

Isn't it wonderful when people reach to ridiculous ends in a shallow attempt to prove a point?

With that note, I'll drop this tangent as it's dumb and I'm tired.

Bumping this because it's a far more productive post than any of mine:

Except it does. Your “choice” is to not have it delayed because of this ”I Want It Now” mentality. My “choice” is to have it delayed so that I can fit in both of the things I like (story and Week 1 progression) into my schedule alongside work. I work full-time in the mornings/afternoons. I raid in the evenings. Day 1 of this patch, I was at work all day (because some of us can’t just request days off with only two weeks warning, since the Patch wasn’t officially announced to drop on the 18th until the second part of the PLL—it was only guessed that would be the release date), and I came home, had to rush through normal mode, and then joined my static for raid. I wasn’t the only one who had to do this either, because again: some of us can’t just request off willy-nilly.

Your “choice” effectively denies my “choice”. Hence, your point is defeating your own argument. You can spin what you’re using against me right back on yourself.

Btw, “Week 1 Savage” would still be Week 1. The Savage weeks start the week it drops.



And now you’ve pigeon-holed me into doing things so that YOU can have what you want. I suppose that’s somehow more fair? Because that’s certainly what it seems you’re arguing—as long as you get what you want, right?

Try as you might, you’re doing to me what you’re getting so uppity about me proposing be done to you. And, honestly, unless you’re a Savage raider, the delay barely affects you. Crafters aren’t affected because they will still get their Day 1 crafting in, as I explained before.



You’re the one who jumped to “WHAT IF THEY DELAYED EVERYTHING”. No one else here is really strawmaning. You are being hyperbolic though.

I never said “less is more choice”. I said that you would still have choices on things to do—since your entire argument was “THEY WOULD DELAY EVERYTHING BUT THE MSQ AND I WOULDN’T BE ABLE TO HAVE CHOICES!!!”. Not if they did something like I suggested, with MSQ, Normal Mode raids, Ruby Weapon normal, and Ruby EX all dropping together, and then Savage + new gear coming out a week later. That’s 4 different things that you could choose to do—not the one you were hyperbolizing about.



Great! You’re enjoying content at your own leisure, so a one-week delay of Savage shouldn’t negatively affect you at all! You know, since you don’t care about actually getting in there right away or anything.

I wonder if you get this upset when they delay the first Savage tier and crafted gear by two weeks at the start of an expansion, or if this is just a thing you’re selectively upset about.



I’m talking about the Normal Mode story. Not the 5.2 MSQ. Normal mode is story mode. Clearly, you misunderstood what I was talking about.

“Self-delusion that I must have it all”? Uh, I’m literally asking for the week delay so that I can do something like this:

Patch 5.2 drop: work > come home and do Eden Normal mode. Enjoy the story from the normal mode raid, not the Main Scenario without having to bum-rush it to make raid nights. Maybe do some Ruby Weapon EX for the weapon. Do some of the patch story (the actual MSQ, not the story from normal mode—since you seem to have confused those earlier). I would have had a week to relax and enjoy this content at my own leisure. Since that’s so important to you, perhaps you can understand how it’s also important to me.

Patch 5.21 drop: Jump into Savage without having to miss out on the story from the normal mode. Beforehand get all my crafted gear done as well, because it would come out that day as well, more than likely.

No idea where you’re getting all this character deletion/game over crap. Again with the hyperbolizing. It’s impossible to actually have a decent discussion on this forum without people overly exaggeration crap.



Actually, my employer controls a lot of my time, so...

Not all of us get to just sit at home all day. I have no idea if you actually do that or not, but you sure are acting as if people who work or go to school have a bunch of free time on their hands.

[SinisterJoints]

Except it does. Your “choice” is to not have it delayed because of this ”I Want It Now” mentality. My “choice” is to have it delayed so that I can fit in both of the things I like (story and Week 1 progression) into my schedule alongside work. I work full-time in the mornings/afternoons. I raid in the evenings. Day 1 of this patch, I was at work all day (because some of us can’t just request days off with only two weeks warning, since the Patch wasn’t officially announced to drop on the 18th until the second part of the PLL—it was only guessed that would be the release date), and I came home, had to rush through normal mode, and then joined my static for raid. I wasn’t the only one who had to do this either, because again: some of us can’t just request off willy-nilly.

Where did I say I want it now? Never once. Just because you cant be an adult and prioritize YOUR time to do things YOU enjoy without some self entitled guilt trip that the game is denying you something. I dont care if your vacation time doesnt line up. and I dont care you feel rushed. Thats on you because you choose to feel that way... sorry

Your “choice” effectively denies my “choice”. Hence, your point is defeating your own argument. You can spin what you’re using against me right back on yourself.

no, see thats the thing. My choice denies you nothing you deny yourself.

Btw, “Week 1 Savage” would still be Week 1. The Savage weeks start the week it drops.

And now you’ve pigeon-holed me into doing things so that YOU can have what you want. I suppose that’s somehow more fair? Because that’s certainly what it seems you’re arguing—as long as you get what you want, right?

Maybe you should talk to your static about being Pigeon Holed. Because it seems your raid schedule is the problem. It certainly isn't the content cycle

I’m talking about the Normal Mode story. Not the 5.2 MSQ. Normal mode is story mode. Clearly, you misunderstood what I was talking about.

“Self-delusion that I must have it all”? Uh, I’m literally asking for the week delay so that I can do something like this:

Patch 5.2 drop: work > come home and do Eden Normal mode. Enjoy the story from the normal mode raid, not the Main Scenario without having to bum-rush it to make raid nights. Maybe do some Ruby Weapon EX for the weapon. Do some of the patch story (the actual MSQ, not the story from normal mode—since you seem to have confused those earlier). I would have had a week to relax and enjoy this content at my own leisure. Since that’s so important to you, perhaps you can understand how it’s also important to me.

is this for real? Again dude, literally a personal problem that you keep choosing to deal with. I love the story too but if the group I CHOSE to join isn't suiting my playstyle then I get a new one. It really is that simple, so im sorry. no thanks

The only thing stopping you from doing this is your Static, clearly. Go talk to them

Patch 5.21 drop: Jump into Savage without having to miss out on the story from the normal mode. Beforehand get all my crafted gear done as well, because it would come out that day as well, more than likely.

No idea where you’re getting all this character deletion/game over crap. Again with the hyperbolizing. It’s impossible to actually have a decent discussion on this forum without people overly exaggeration crap.

I'm making it up, much like you are making up this ill conceived notion that the content cycle is robbing you of your enjoyment of the game when its literally you doing it to yourself or better yet, your static is.

Actually, my employer controls a lot of my time, so... .

Sounds like a personal problem

Not all of us get to just sit at home all day. I have no idea if you actually do that or not, but you sure are acting as if people who work or go to school have a bunch of free time on their hands.

Again, personal problem. I Work, Have Brain cancer, a softcore static, a special needs child, treatments once a month and have full custody of my son. Don't talk to me about time. Just because you cant manage yours. There is nothing wrong with the content cycle.

[Johaandr]

Are first world raiders even a thing after all those years? I cant keep up who is who cuse in reality there r better games for actual sponsor. That is reality. Unless its for the fame or archivement in this community then that is another story and reality... me no make sense.

[Satarn]

Pretty much this. Especially the last part where you're actually feeling guilty about something you would otherwise enjoy (and have every right to) and deny yourself to it just to please your group.
That's pretty much the definition of peer pressure.

This isn't "peer pressure", it's called being considerate of other people's time and not wanting to inconvenience them, aka "not being a selfish asshole". With all the talk like "just find other like-minded people!" etc, I am seriously starting to wonder if some of the posters in this thread have any actual friends in this game at all. It's not always just about finding some convenient "NPCs" to kill content with and then dispose of once that's no longer ideal for you.

Inb4 "lol, you're being selfish by requesting this because it inconveniences me, lol" - yeah, nope. I am aware that delaying savage would not be ideal for people who just want this content asap and don't care about anything else and I have acknowledged that side in my first post. It is overall the matter of figuring out what does the majority of raiders(yes just raiders, bc srsly if you don't raid then what the heck are you even doing in this thread, it literally does not affect you in the slightest) want, hence the discussion.
Yes, some people have been rather dismissive of the "opposition", but that goes for both sides here.

Hmmm. There is an argument to say that if you’re a world first type player, you’re not really gonna care about the raid story, you’re just going to want to dive right in to savage so you’ll just skip all cut scenes anyway and then go back and do msq after you’ve cleared them all. And in this case a delay might annoy you because you’re bored and have nothing to do until the next tier comes out and your main motivation is world first clears.

Everyone else probably won’t care about a delay because they won’t be in the world first bracket, therefore for them it’s like whatever, they’ll clear at some point.

So no, because... stereotypes? You literally have an entire thread of people saying that they might not be world first raiders, but would like a delay, right here. Assuming that hard-cores can't enjoy the story is also very silly. Why do you think this thread exists - so people can ask for something they don't even want?

[HyoMinPark]

Where did I say I want it now? Never once. Just because you cant be an adult and prioritize YOUR time to do things YOU enjoy without some self entitled guilt trip that the game is denying you something.

LOL Okay. Clearly you don’t have the ability to have an actual discussion about this. Instead, you opt to attack me instead of actually reading what I’m saying. I don’t know why I thought I could have an adult discussion with you.

It is quite rich that you’re calling me self-entitled though, when your entire argument against this suggestion is that it interferes with what YOU personally want. If I’m being self-entitled, then so are you. Since we’re discussing wants here.

I dont care if your vacation time doesnt line up. and I dont care you feel rushed. Thats on you because you choose to feel that way... sorry

Clearly you don’t understand how jobs function, nor do you care.

no, see thats the thing. My choice denies you nothing you deny yourself.

Sure.