Can we please delay Savage?

[Aurelius2625]

Jesus Christ, "You're not twelve years old". You're right, if we were twelve, we'd have the free time to binge at a moment's notice, but adult life that generates the money to pay a sub, requires "accommodation".

We are PAYING for a service. If we make a reasonable request that the devs can implement, and enough support is had for it, WHICH HAS BEEN THE CASE, then it's well within our rights to ask for such things. There is virtually no reason to deny this request. Release normal mode early by a week, that affects nothing. People can still hit the ground running on savage, should they wish, and it also allows people who want to do normal mode for the cutscenes to do so as well. They LITERALLY made the MSQ roulette unskippable so that people can enjoy the story for it, they clearly care that people watch the cutscenes and involve themselves with the story. This is the same kind of conservative ideal that, "just deal with it, I don't want YOU to have it, so you can't have it!"

It's tired, old, and archaic.

Nothing is wrong with releasing crafting lists early so people can prep for it. By releasing the crafting early and normal modes, all that want to do savage at release for week 1, can do so. Even those that don't care about crafted gear, which, by the way, people have to forfeit their time to craft for those people anyways, denying them any chance to participate if they wanted to...to craft when BY RELEASING THESE THINGS EARLY would avoid all of this.

I'm done. If you want to be stubborn, old, archaic, and making an argument that doesn't need to exist, then do so. People who argue against this are wrong. Full stop. No one is hurt by this, only helped.

"Just deal with it" IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH. "Just accept it" IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH. "It's always been this way" IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH. It's outrageous, and any injustice or wrong that's ever been would still exist, if people "just accepted it".

Products and services improve when customers demand a better model and method of delivery of those goods. Stagnation IS NOT GOOD.

[SinisterJoints]

Jesus Christ, "You're not twelve years old". You're right, if we were twelve, we'd have the free time to binge at a moment's notice, but adult life that generates the money to pay a sub, requires "accommodation".
We are PAYING for a service. If we make a reasonable request that the devs can implement, and enough support is had for it, WHICH HAS BEEN THE CASE, then it's well within our rights to ask for such things. There is virtually no reason to deny this request. Release normal mode early by a week, that affects nothing. People can still hit the ground running on savage, should they wish, and it also allows people who want to do normal mode for the cutscenes to do so as well. They LITERALLY made the MSQ roulette unskippable so that people can enjoy the story for it, they clearly care that people watch the cutscenes and involve themselves with the story. This is the same kind of conservative ideal that, "just deal with it, I don't want YOU to have it, so you can't have it!"

It's tired, old, and archaic.

Nothing is wrong with releasing crafting lists early so people can prep for it. By releasing the crafting early and normal modes, all that want to do savage at release for week 1, can do so. Even those that don't care about crafted gear, which, by the way, people have to forfeit their time to craft for those people anyways, denying them any chance to participate if they wanted to...to craft when BY RELEASING THESE THINGS EARLY would avoid all of this.

I'm done. If you want to be stubborn, old, archaic, and making an argument that doesn't need to exist, then do so. People who argue against this are wrong. Full stop. No one is hurt by this, only helped.

"Just deal with it" IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH. "Just accept it" IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH. "It's always been this way" IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH. It's outrageous, and any injustice or wrong that's ever been would still exist, if people "just accepted it".

Products and services improve when customers demand a better model and method of delivery of those goods. Stagnation IS NOT GOOD
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How is your opinion more weighted then others'? The same arguments can and will be made for both sides. The bottom line though is simple, you choose to do what you choose to do. I don't make you skip cutscenes, I don't make you rush content. You do. SO

why should it change when its something you are forcing yourself to do when you don't have too. This is why I take issue with it. There isn't a problem with the way the content is released. There IS a problem within your static though if they are making you do something you dont want too. Go be vocal to them about Why they take your choices away, let us know how it works out.

You can't sit and say "i wash my hand of this forum because they don't agree" and yet defend the people who are making you do all the things that have provoked you to ask for changes in the first place.

I dont blame you, or the game, nor ask you or the game to change things because of something I'm doing. Thus... we are here. Not something I can get behind

[Sebazy]

How is your opinion more weighted then others'?

Well.... They actually participate in the content that this discussion is relative to for starters....

And don't give me the 'this is my alt' routine again. I don't buy it.

[SinisterJoints]

Well.... They actually participate in the content that this discussion is relative to for starters....

And don't give me the 'this is my alt' routine again. I don't buy it.

Guess what, You dont get to tell me when my opinion is valid or not. I don't need your approval or permission. You want all of my Character Names? Spoony Bard Midgar, Spoony' Bard Sargatan, Spoony' Bard Behemoth, Freya' Crescent Sargatan, Val Kandosii Sargatan, I play enough of this game and I don't need to prove a darn thing to you. Thats ok if you ain't buying, I'm not selling

[Lambdafish]

How is your opinion more weighted then others'? The same arguments can and will be made for both sides. The bottom line though is simple, you choose to do what you choose to do. I don't make you skip cutscenes, I don't make you rush content. You do. SO

What do you actually lose from this change? What people stand to gain is far more than what people stand to lose. Content creators can tackle the patch and give their diverse audiences better content, crafters and gatherers have breathing room to prepare for raid without it interferring with the world first race. Raiders participating in the world first race actually get to enjoy normal mode and use it to speculate and strategize savage.

Bear in mind that what is being asked for is not even as harsh as what we saw in edensgate, deltascape and gordias (yes, this isn't a new concept).

So I ask you, what do you lose from this change? Sounds to me that for someone who hates people rushing content, you sure want to rush right into savage once you are done with normal mode right away. Why don't you participate in all the other content provided?

[SinisterJoints]

What do you actually lose from this change? What people stand to gain is far more than what people stand to lose. Content creators can tackle the patch and give their diverse audiences better content, crafters and gatherers have breathing room to prepare for raid without it interferring with the world first race. Raiders participating in the world first race actually get to enjoy normal mode and use it to speculate and strategize savage.

Bear in mind that what is being asked for is not even as harsh as what we saw in edensgate, deltascape and gordias (yes, this isn't a new concept).

So I ask you, what do you lose from this change? Sounds to me that for someone who hates people rushing content, you sure want to rush right into savage once you are done with normal mode right away. Why don't you participate in all the other content provided?

Wouldn't the "prep" time kind of cheapen/trivialize the whole world first race anyways? Isn't that part of the thrill? How fast can you come together as a team and get through the content. It was back when 2.0 launched when I actually tried for world first.

When did I say I hated rushing content? I never did. everyone who says it needs to change is saying they have to rush content and thats why it needs changing. But nobody can tell me WHY you need to rush when the content comes? I don't need to rush and if you arent going for world first then you dont either. Some of you are CHOOSING to rush. and that is my point.

Why do you think I dont participate in the content? im almost max accross the board, quite literally have 3 jobs left on my main. Regardless...

This is has been my point from the get go and it was met with the same amount of "venom" that a few have been saying I'm spitting. *shrug*

[Lastelli]

Wouldn't the "prep" time kind of cheapen/trivialize the whole world first race anyways? Isn't that part of the thrill? How fast can you come together as a team and get through the content. It was back when 2.0 launched when I actually tried for world first.

This doesn't really mean much when HC parties have an army of crafters and gatherers that prepare their gear (materia melding included) while they're clearing the first 2 turns (that can be easily cleared with the previous BiS gear). The current state just hinders midcore parties that want to, say, start tackling the new content on patch day and have to rush the normal mode raid when some members get off work.

[Satarn]

How is your opinion more weighted then others'

It is not and Aurelius never said it should be. What gives weight to this specific opinion is that it seems to be shared by the majority - that's how democracy works. If anything it is you who seems to think you matter enough to deny what most are requesting.

You can't sit and say "i wash my hand of this forum because they don't agree"

"The forum" isn't disagreeing though - it's just the few like you who keep coming back to the thread, just to say "no" over and over again. Most people seem to write "yes, I support this" and then move on - like the very next comment under what I'm replying to.

[Valorak]

It is not and Aurelius never said it should be. What gives weight to this specific opinion is that it seems to be shared by the majority - that's how democracy works. If anything it is you who seems to think you matter enough to deny what most are requesting.



"The forum" isn't disagreeing though - it's just the few like you who keep coming back to the thread, just to say "no" over and over again. Most people seem to write "yes, I support this" and then move on - like the very next comment under what I'm replying to.

I don't think there's much use in trying to argue who has the majority.

The devs are really the only ones with enough player-metrics to make an accurate guess as to whether or not the majority would prefer this or not. While they might get some idea from this thread, it's still a very small pool of people (almost 70 likes on the OP atm, out of how many people that do Savage?) Plus we're also only talking about people on the English forums. They'd probably have to use an in-game poll if they really wanted accurate data on this.

Not that they need to decide based off of the rule of majority. FFXIV is not a democracy. The dev team gets to do whatever they deem to be the best course of action.

[Derio]

I agree, this would give crafters and gatherers plenty of time to do the content and also prevent toxicity from people rushing through the content. It doesnt have to be 2 weeks but 1 week should suffice.