Can we please delay Savage?

[SinisterJoints]

should they choose,

Gonna highlight a key phrase that makes this entire thread pointless. Your Character, Your Choice. Plain and simple. SE didnt make your static schedule, SE didnt make you join a static, SE didnt make you do the raids first, nor should SE cater to YOUR schedule. You dont want to race in the first week, then dont! it REALLY IS that simple.

Why not delay it a month?

Or you can just commit to doing it day 1 if its something you want to do day 1.

If you want to compete for world first clearing, then you make the choice to do that. Waking up early to make sure you get your gear and consumables crafted, or paying for those, is part of it. If you want to do it casually, then do it casually.

Exactly this, You can choose to NOT do the stuff in week 1. However, we cannot choose TO do it if its delayed a week. Forcing us to wait because you cant make a choice is not a valid solution.

[HyoMinPark]

Gonna highlight a key phrase that makes this entire thread pointless. Your Character, Your Choice. Plain and simple. SE didnt make your static schedule, SE didnt make you join a static, SE didnt make you do the raids first, nor should SE cater to YOUR schedule. You dont want to race in the first week, then dont! it REALLY IS that simple.



Exactly this, You can choose to NOT do the stuff in week 1. However, we cannot choose TO do it if its delayed a week. Forcing us to wait because you cant make a choice is not a valid solution.

A week won’t kill you. It’s not like there would be any disadvantage to it being delayed. Tomestone gear and crafted would likely be delayed with it, so nothing would be that much different from how every expansion starts—except it’s a week delay instead of two.

I get the feeling responses like this are coming from individuals who either don’t raid or who can’t comprehend what’s actually being requested here.

[SinisterJoints]

A week won’t kill you. It’s not like there would be any disadvantage to it being delayed. Tomestone gear and crafted would likely be delayed with it, so nothing would be that much different from how every expansion starts—except it’s a week delay instead of two.

I get the feeling responses like this are coming from individuals who either don’t raid or who can’t comprehend what’s actually being requested here.

I say the same to you, delaying when you start savage wont kill you either. I feel like I'm getting responses from people that feel their choices are more important than someone else's or just can't comprehend that THEIR choice shouldn't trump someone else's.

Whats next? Delay everything in a patch so only MSQ remains on patchday? No thanks, I like to choose when I do the content, not have it chosen for me. I've been doing a bit of everything and guess what, I don't feel rushed one bit. You know why? You guessed it, its MY choice.

I love crafting, why should I have to wait for that? Im a day one crafter so what you are saying is take my enjoyment away because "you feel rushed".


and lets be honest here, If you arent world first racing then you do NOT need to take time off work, that is such a horrible excuse

[HyoMinPark]

I say the same to you, delaying when you start savage wont kill you either. I feel like I'm getting responses from people that feel their choices are more important than someone else's or just can't comprehend that THEIR choice shouldn't trump someone else's.

I mean, this literally applies to your argument as well. So, not sure the point you're actually trying to make here, unless it's to defeat your own argument. It's not just "my" choice - there are raiders better than me and more hardcore than me that want a delay between Savage and Normal mode. And it was something that Yoshida has mentioned considering before. People in this thread are just chiming in to offer their support for the option, and giving reasons why they think it's a good thing to do.

I think it would be nice to not have to sacrifice enjoying the story simply because I also want to aim for a Week 1 clear of the tier. A lot of the people in my static are the same way, and we all work/go to school - and can't just take time off whenever/skip class. We set our Week 1 schedule to try and maximize the time progressing while also taking into account each other's real-life obligations and schedules.

The devs constantly stress the importance of the story - and the first tier is delayed two weeks from the release of normal mode for that reason - so this isn't a far-fetched request. It's something that's already done for one of the tiers.

Whats next? Delay everything in a patch so only MSQ remains on patchday? No thanks, I like to choose when I do the content, not have it chosen for me. I've been doing a bit of everything and guess what, I don't feel rushed one bit. You know why? You guessed it, its MY choice.

Don't get too strawman-happy, now. That's not going to help you. Though, you do realize that when you do content is already being chosen for you, right? It's not like you can do whatever you want before the content drops.

Patch 5.2 could have literally been: MSQ, Verse Normal Mode, Ruby Weapon Normal, and Ruby Weapon EX. 5.21 could have been Verse Savage + Tomestone and crafted gear/food. That wouldn't have "delayed everything" - far from it. You would have still had plenty to choose from, and people like myself and others that want a delay would have had what they wanted too. Win-win.

I love crafting, why should I have to wait for that? Im a day one crafter so what you are saying is take my enjoyment away because "you feel rushed".

You'll still have Day 1 crafting - it would just release with the Savage tier a week later, but it would still be "Day 1", because the new crafted gear exists for Savage progression. None of the other content in this game needs it.

and lets be honest here, If you arent world first racing then you do NOT need to take time off work, that is such a horrible excuse

I'm not a world racer - no desire to be one - but I do like to aim for Week 1 clears. I have a job that I have to go to - I can't just request/block off entire weeks or months like some, and that's fine. I need the money.

I enjoy raiding and I also enjoy the story and lore from normal mode. I shouldn't have to sacrifice my enjoyment of the story when the developers can easily delay the second and third Savage tier release like they literally do for the first tier of every expansion. This is not an unheard of thing. It's something that is already done for one tier and not the others.

Release it all on launch and let those who are determined enough to do it first do it first, and everyone else can play catchup.

I love how your entire argument is implying there's a discrepancy in determination to do this content. World First raiders are asking for this delay. It's not just the casuals who want it, or those who don't world race but aim for Week 1 kills.

Determination has nothing to do with this request. It's all about time.

[Zabuza]

For those opposed to this, can you tell me:

What of value, exactly, are you afraid will be lost if Savage is delayed a week after patch hits?

Does it also bother you when an expansion launches and Savage is delayed two weeks? If it does not bother you in that case, why should it bother you in this case?

[SinisterJoints]

I mean, this literally applies to your argument as well.

Yet, it literally doesn't. By delaying savage you are taking away my choice to do savage week 1. Tell me what choice are you denied by not delaying it?

I explained it in my first post a couple pages back. My only choice then is to do the story and fall behind the first wave raiders, or don't do the story for awhile. So in that sense, yes SE is forcing that choice. If I choose to play FFXIV as a raider who enjoys story those are my two choices.

What are you falling behind on? Tell me what you actually need from savage to progress anything except savage? Who is making you do anything other than what you want to do by releasing it?

Do you have a static? Yes? Ok then either join like-minded people or live with YOUR choice.

I raid and have no problems doing story, crafting, gathering, the trial and beastribes when I feel like it. I raid with likeminded people and we do the story, progression etc at our own pace. The only way I feel rushed is when I am pushing to get something done (like gettina crafters/gathers 70-80 day 1 on expansion) Those things are MY choices.

This whole -- I have no choices if its released on week one is silly. You are doing it to yourself....

That wouldn't have "delayed everything" - far from it. You would have still had plenty to choose from, and people like myself and others that want a delay would have had what they wanted too. Win-win.

but it wouldn't have been what I wanted. I would have been pigeonholed to do things in the order YOU want too. Releasing it all at the same time allows people to CHOOSE. Not a win-win for me (or others that dont want it)

and I dont need to go strawman, you guys are doing that all by yourselves... less options is more choice. Gotcha

oh and its your choice to go for week 1 clears, so live with it. I will continue to enjoy all the content at my leisure

I enjoy raiding and I also enjoy the story and lore from normal mode. I shouldn't have to sacrifice my enjoyment of the story when the developers can easily delay the second and third Savage tier release like they literally do for the first tier of every expansion. This is not an unheard of thing. It's something that is already done for one tier and not the others.

It's all about time.

The story for eden isn't even tied to MSQ, what exactly are you sacrificing that you aren't choosing too? You do know that you can do one and not have to rush the other right? Doing Eden will not suddenly reveal all the msq...or any of it. The only thing I see here is some self delusion that you have to do it all in a day or week or else you fail? Game over? Character Deletion? Hardcore mode? The only way it would get spoiled is if you LITERALLY DO IT YOURSELF lolol

and yes... its all about time. and YOU control YOUR time, not mine. Spend yours how you want.

Yeah, this thread has devolved further into the situation that I was talking about/alluding to earlier.

I get why people are asking for the delay, and I'm mostly on board with it because I want everyone to have the chance to play the story without rushing through it. That said, a lot of you guys are doing your best to ignore the fact that you're asking other people to wait an extra week just so that you can have everything just how you want it.

We all currently have the option to pick and choose what content we want to prioritize. Under that system we really should be able to decide what is most important to us and be happy with our choices. So asking everyone else to wait because you want to have it all and then dismissing their responses isn't going to get you a lot of goodwill.

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[HyoMinPark]

Yet, it literally doesn't. By delaying savage you are taking away my choice to do savage week 1. Tell me what choice are you denied by not delaying it?

Except it does. Your “choice” is to not have it delayed because of this ”I Want It Now” mentality. My “choice” is to have it delayed so that I can fit in both of the things I like (story and Week 1 progression) into my schedule alongside work. I work full-time in the mornings/afternoons. I raid in the evenings. Day 1 of this patch, I was at work all day (because some of us can’t just request days off with only two weeks warning, since the Patch wasn’t officially announced to drop on the 18th until the second part of the PLL—it was only guessed that would be the release date), and I came home, had to rush through normal mode, and then joined my static for raid. I wasn’t the only one who had to do this either, because again: some of us can’t just request off willy-nilly.

Your “choice” effectively denies my “choice”. Hence, your point is defeating your own argument. You can spin what you’re using against me right back on yourself.

Btw, “Week 1 Savage” would still be Week 1. The Savage weeks start the week it drops.

but it wouldn't have been what I wanted. I would have been pigeonholed to do things in the order YOU want too. Releasing it all at the same time allows people to CHOOSE. Not a win-win for me (or others that dont want it)

And now you’ve pigeon-holed me into doing things so that YOU can have what you want. I suppose that’s somehow more fair? Because that’s certainly what it seems you’re arguing—as long as you get what you want, right?

Try as you might, you’re doing to me what you’re getting so uppity about me proposing be done to you. And, honestly, unless you’re a Savage raider, the delay barely affects you. Crafters aren’t affected because they will still get their Day 1 crafting in, as I explained before.

and I dont need to go strawman, you guys are doing that all by yourselves... less options is more choice. Gotcha

You’re the one who jumped to “WHAT IF THEY DELAYED EVERYTHING”. No one else here is really strawmaning. You are being hyperbolic though.

I never said “less is more choice”. I said that you would still have choices on things to do—since your entire argument was “THEY WOULD DELAY EVERYTHING BUT THE MSQ AND I WOULDN’T BE ABLE TO HAVE CHOICES!!!”. Not if they did something like I suggested, with MSQ, Normal Mode raids, Ruby Weapon normal, and Ruby EX all dropping together, and then Savage + new gear coming out a week later. That’s 4 different things that you could choose to do—not the one you were hyperbolizing about.

oh and its your choice to go for week 1 clears, so live with it. I will continue to enjoy all the content at my leisure

Great! You’re enjoying content at your own leisure, so a one-week delay of Savage shouldn’t negatively affect you at all! You know, since you don’t care about actually getting in there right away or anything.

I wonder if you get this upset when they delay the first Savage tier and crafted gear by two weeks at the start of an expansion, or if this is just a thing you’re selectively upset about.

The story for eden isn't even tied to MSQ, what exactly are you sacrificing that you aren't choosing too? You do know that you can do one and not have to rush the other right? Doing Eden will not suddenly reveal all the msq...or any of it. The only thing I see here is some self delusion that you have to do it all in a day or week or else you fail? Game over? Character Deletion? Hardcore mode? The only way it would get spoiled is if you LITERALLY DO IT YOURSELF lolol

I’m talking about the Normal Mode story. Not the 5.2 MSQ. Normal mode is story mode. Clearly, you misunderstood what I was talking about.

“Self-delusion that I must have it all”? Uh, I’m literally asking for the week delay so that I can do something like this:

Patch 5.2 drop: work > come home and do Eden Normal mode. Enjoy the story from the normal mode raid, not the Main Scenario without having to bum-rush it to make raid nights. Maybe do some Ruby Weapon EX for the weapon. Do some of the patch story (the actual MSQ, not the story from normal mode—since you seem to have confused those earlier). I would have had a week to relax and enjoy this content at my own leisure. Since that’s so important to you, perhaps you can understand how it’s also important to me.

Patch 5.21 drop: Jump into Savage without having to miss out on the story from the normal mode. Beforehand get all my crafted gear done as well, because it would come out that day as well, more than likely.

No idea where you’re getting all this character deletion/game over crap. Again with the hyperbolizing. It’s impossible to actually have a decent discussion on this forum without people overly exaggeration crap.

and yes... its all about time. and YOU control YOUR time, not mine. Spend yours how you want.

Actually, my employer controls a lot of my time, so...

Not all of us get to just sit at home all day. I have no idea if you actually do that or not, but you sure are acting as if people who work or go to school have a bunch of free time on their hands.

[SinisterJoints]

Except it does. Your “choice” is to not have it delayed because of this ”I Want It Now” mentality. My “choice” is to have it delayed so that I can fit in both of the things I like (story and Week 1 progression) into my schedule alongside work. I work full-time in the mornings/afternoons. I raid in the evenings. Day 1 of this patch, I was at work all day (because some of us can’t just request days off with only two weeks warning, since the Patch wasn’t officially announced to drop on the 18th until the second part of the PLL—it was only guessed that would be the release date), and I came home, had to rush through normal mode, and then joined my static for raid. I wasn’t the only one who had to do this either, because again: some of us can’t just request off willy-nilly.

Where did I say I want it now? Never once. Just because you cant be an adult and prioritize YOUR time to do things YOU enjoy without some self entitled guilt trip that the game is denying you something. I dont care if your vacation time doesnt line up. and I dont care you feel rushed. Thats on you because you choose to feel that way... sorry

Your “choice” effectively denies my “choice”. Hence, your point is defeating your own argument. You can spin what you’re using against me right back on yourself.

no, see thats the thing. My choice denies you nothing you deny yourself.

Btw, “Week 1 Savage” would still be Week 1. The Savage weeks start the week it drops.

And now you’ve pigeon-holed me into doing things so that YOU can have what you want. I suppose that’s somehow more fair? Because that’s certainly what it seems you’re arguing—as long as you get what you want, right?

Maybe you should talk to your static about being Pigeon Holed. Because it seems your raid schedule is the problem. It certainly isn't the content cycle

I’m talking about the Normal Mode story. Not the 5.2 MSQ. Normal mode is story mode. Clearly, you misunderstood what I was talking about.

“Self-delusion that I must have it all”? Uh, I’m literally asking for the week delay so that I can do something like this:

Patch 5.2 drop: work > come home and do Eden Normal mode. Enjoy the story from the normal mode raid, not the Main Scenario without having to bum-rush it to make raid nights. Maybe do some Ruby Weapon EX for the weapon. Do some of the patch story (the actual MSQ, not the story from normal mode—since you seem to have confused those earlier). I would have had a week to relax and enjoy this content at my own leisure. Since that’s so important to you, perhaps you can understand how it’s also important to me.

is this for real? Again dude, literally a personal problem that you keep choosing to deal with. I love the story too but if the group I CHOSE to join isn't suiting my playstyle then I get a new one. It really is that simple, so im sorry. no thanks

The only thing stopping you from doing this is your Static, clearly. Go talk to them

Patch 5.21 drop: Jump into Savage without having to miss out on the story from the normal mode. Beforehand get all my crafted gear done as well, because it would come out that day as well, more than likely.

No idea where you’re getting all this character deletion/game over crap. Again with the hyperbolizing. It’s impossible to actually have a decent discussion on this forum without people overly exaggeration crap.

I'm making it up, much like you are making up this ill conceived notion that the content cycle is robbing you of your enjoyment of the game when its literally you doing it to yourself or better yet, your static is.

Actually, my employer controls a lot of my time, so... .

Sounds like a personal problem

Not all of us get to just sit at home all day. I have no idea if you actually do that or not, but you sure are acting as if people who work or go to school have a bunch of free time on their hands.

Again, personal problem. I Work, Have Brain cancer, a softcore static, a special needs child, treatments once a month and have full custody of my son. Don't talk to me about time. Just because you cant manage yours. There is nothing wrong with the content cycle.

[Valorak]

Yeah, this thread has devolved further into the situation that I was talking about/alluding to earlier.

I get why people are asking for the delay, and I'm mostly on board with it because I want everyone to have the chance to play the story without rushing through it. That said, a lot of you guys are doing your best to ignore the fact that you're asking other people to wait an extra week just so that you can have everything just how you want it.

We all currently have the option to pick and choose what content we want to prioritize. Under that system we really should be able to decide what is most important to us and be happy with our choices. So asking everyone else to wait because you want to have it all and then dismissing their responses isn't going to get you a lot of goodwill.