Can we please delay Savage?

[Tridus]

Great idea. People who want to be in that first wave right now have to sacrifice things like being able to actually read the story, which in a game where the devs want you to read the story is a shame. They have to rush around doing everything as fast as possible to try and be ready. People with work commitments and kids and such are just not able to take a day off to speedclear everything to be ready for it, excluding them from it not because of skill, but because of adulting.

Setting it back a week gives everyone a week to go through all that stuff and be ready, and puts everyone on a more or less equal footing for the actual race to start. As mentioned, they already do this in the first tier, by what, 4 weeks? A single week wouldn't hurt anyone. As a bonus, instead of having the clear race mixed in with attention on everything else, it would be the community focus on week 2. That gives the streamers and such a week to focus on all the other new stuff, and as soon as interest in that is waning? Boom, savage race!

It's a win all around, really.

[HyoMinPark]

This one gets it.

Take your time if you'd prefer or are obligated to. But don't penalize the people that have made the time to make it happen.

How is delaying Savage’s release a week after a x.2 or x.4 patch punishing anyone? World Race raiders and Week 1 raiders can still make the time for the raid, so I fail to see how anyone is being penalized. The delay would obviously be announced in true SE fashion; it’s not like they’d say Savage is delayed a week the night of. It would become just as formulaic as everything else is in this game.

But by week 2, you can have 1-2 tome pieces on top of crafted gear. That weakens the difficulty no? Plus, in terms of the delayed weeks during expansion launches, the capped tome gear is also delayed, so you'd have to delay that too. Plus, isn't the crafted gear thats required for Savage for expansion launches also delayed until that 2nd week?

Not nearly as much as you are trying to imply with your post. I’ve only stated my personal goals, and I still find Week 2 challenging despite having a tome piece (since you would opt for body or pants if either are BiS) or two (assuming body/pants BiS for your jobs are Savage).

Even if they delay the crafted gear for the Savage patch, that would be better than what we have now. I like to enjoy both raiding and the story, and I couldn’t this tier because I can’t just request time off of work for video games. The developers stress delaying it for the first tier so that people can enjoy the story. Why can’t that be the case for all tiers?



Can anyone actually provide a solid reason why Savage shouldn’t be delayed a week?

[ForteNightshade]

But by week 2, you can have 1-2 tome pieces on top of crafted gear. That weakens the difficulty no? Plus, in terms of the delayed weeks during expansion launches, the capped tome gear is also delayed, so you'd have to delay that too. Plus, isn't the crafted gear thats required for Savage for expansion launches also delayed until that 2nd week?

There are numerous ways to accommodate that. Delaying Tome/Crafted gear is one of them. In fact, it wouldn't be a bad idea as now people can focus on all the new content at their leisure without having to worry about capping the first week. If they didn't want to do that, simply bumping up the DPS checks of each fight just slightly would fix people having a tome piece, though one i490 piece isn't going to make a big difference. You're going to have full crafted regardless because it's required to kill Shiva. Another solution is simply not making Normal mode a requirement.

While I'd appreciate not having to mad rush prep, I'd be content simply not having to choose between story and Savage.

First wave means first wave. If you breathe a word about commitments outside of the game, you're not in the running for first wave; those people have already settled those commitments the day the date was announced.

You know, except during the first tier where they do delay Savage and not only is this not considered an issue but welcomed at all levels. In fact, even World First groups have asked Yoshida directly for this delay to continue. Just because people can adjust or work around their prior commitments doesn't mean they want to. And some can't.

[van_arn]

There are numerous ways to accommodate that. Delaying Tome/Crafted gear is one of them. In fact, it wouldn't be a bad idea as now people can focus on all the new content at their leisure without having to worry about capping the first week. If they didn't want to do that, simply bumping up the DPS checks of each fight just slightly would fix people having a tome piece, though one i490 piece isn't going to make a big difference. You're going to have full crafted regardless because it's required to kill Shiva. Another solution is simply not making Normal mode a requirement.

While I'd appreciate not having to mad rush prep, I'd be content simply not having to choose between story and Savage.



You know, except during the first tier where they do delay Savage and not only is this not considered an issue but welcomed at all levels. In fact, even World First groups have asked Yoshida directly for this delay to continue. Just because people can adjust or work around their prior commitments doesn't mean they want to. And some can't.

When they manage to release an expansion's worth of content with each patch, then they can consider delaying Savage.

Until then, let the people that want to race for it week 1 race for it at content drop.

Everyone else that can't make the time or unwilling to make the time can continue to play at their own, slower pace.

[Kalthramis]

The title sounds like bait, but the point is fair. Content is only fresh once and delaying the release of savage by a week would only be a benefit. The only drawback to it I can think of is crafters who rake in $$$ the first few days gearing up week 1 statics.

For 5.2, as for every other tier release, my static has to spend an hour blasting members through Normal Mode and skipping the story so we can raid. Skipping raid for the day skips a potential kill for the week and drags out gearing in the long run, and the fun of the lore + Normal Mode is sucked out for it.

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[Sebazy]

As an ex world/eu prog raider who's still raiding with Entropy, I think it's a win win suggestion once you look at it with an open mind.

From a world prog perspective, delaying the progression race to a week after the patch lands gives me a clearer window to book time off work and make arrangements with the family. It also makes the preparation side of things massively easier, we don't need to have dedicated crafting teams who are willing to ditch their own progression to feed us fully melded gear and pots as we start on the first couple of fights. This also really levels the playing field for smaller teams without the resources and manpower that we have enjoyed over the years.

For the midcore teams that are still gunning for week one/two clears, as mentioned, it'll do wonders for allowing groups to avoid the strain of being forced to choose between a multitude of different options and approaches that not everyone may agree with, doubly valuable for people such as my self who are expected to jump straight into a raid after getting home from work. Being pressured to skip cutscenes sucks for everyone.

It doesn't need to be multiple weeks. One week, or even just a day or two would be all that is needed IMO. SE are well aware of the benefits of staggering content releases and this would just be an extension of that.

[ForteNightshade]

When they manage to release an expansion's worth of content with each patch, then they can consider delaying Savage.

Until then, let the people that want to race for it week 1 race for it at content drop.

Everyone else that can't make the time or unwilling to make the time can continue to play at their own, slower pace.

When the expansion releases, we have an entire month before Normal mode releases; two weeks more thereafter for Savage. And this isn't accounting for early access.

That is almost seven weeks between 5.0 and 5.05, which is more than enough time for "an expansion's worth of content".

Nevertheless, you're missing the point. The people who want to race are also requesting this delay despite being able to adjust their schedules.

[Barraind]

Why not delay it a month?

Or you can just commit to doing it day 1 if its something you want to do day 1.

If you want to compete for world first clearing, then you make the choice to do that. Waking up early to make sure you get your gear and consumables crafted, or paying for those, is part of it. If you want to do it casually, then do it casually.

[TheForce]

I just fail to see this as a big deal. I mean, being a week behind or whatever matters little to none in the grand scheme of things. Essentially, all you get it trivial bragging rights in a game. In my opinion, some of you really just take this stuff too seriously. Passion is good, but there's comes a point where, if you're not careful, it turns into an obsession. It's not a race.

[Penthea]

Can anyone actually provide a solid reason why Savage shouldn’t be delayed a week?

The only reason I can see is impatience.

I think it would be better to have it delayed a week so people can take their time to enjoy the new story content instead of rush through it until they're far enough to unlock savage. Not everyone has the luxury of being able to get a day off on patch day.

Sure savage is technically easier on week 2 but lets face it, having a little bit extra gear isn't going to make a super noticeable difference. Certainly not if you ended the last tier with the best gear you could get.

Speaking as someone who was gathering high-end mats mostly by myself for a raid team...it took me over six hours to do it. I would have hated to be doing that on patch day instead of doing the actual new content itself. Fortunately for me our week 1 is actually week 2 due to life commitments from some in the team preventing day 1 raiding in savage. But I know for others out there patch day for them is rush rush rush rush rush...and I don't think many genuinely like this.