Can we please delay Savage?

[Lastelli]

So it's all about the loot now? To get it as fast as the content drops?

Even if you're not competing for the world first, there are many subcommunities in the game that compete with each other on a less hardcore level.

Anyway, I fully support a staggered release for savage content so even sHC groups can take it easy and enjoy the MSQ without having to rush the normal mode raid and spend the afternoon of the patch crafting and gathering.

[Zabuza]

Can we talk about how them giving the official date out two weeks ahead of time is too short a notice >.> Especially if you need to give your job a month's heads up.

This is exactly what happened to me. I had it in my mind three months ahead of time to request time off at work when this savage tier dropped, but the devs didn't make us aware of the date until it was too late. All I kept seeing on the site was 'mid-February.' Ok, but which week will that be? The 11th? The 18th? Feels bad man.

So it's all about the loot now? To get it as fast as the content drops?

Yes, that's part of it. For me, it's also about clearing as many of the fights week 1 as possible. The 'first wave', as they call it, are usually the most competent of players. As someone who plays via the pug PF for Savage, the longer you wait, the greater chance you'll be playing with those who aren't as skilled in the encounter, because those people will already be advertising 'Duty Complete' groups in the PF week 2. This means this is more time doing the fight where I know the mechanic but have to wait for other people to understand it if I don't keep up with the first wavers. It really is a race. I had not even touched the story until I had cleared e5s and was able to feel a slight level of comfort when I saw only 2-3 groups for e6s in the PF, even though I was looking forward to playing the story as well.

[Satarn]

I support this idea as well. It is something that would benefit both the hardcore WF raiders and the more casual ones, which makes it that much more important to consider.

My own perspective:

I'm somebody who both greatly enjoys the savage prog and is really, really into lore. This patch specifically had lots of very hyped up story content(both msq and Eden, the trial also to a bit lesser degree), so I really wanted to start with those and take it slow, carefully watch all cutscenes, rewatch the dialogue options at the inn etc. I would however also like to raid with my friends who don't really share the same priorities.

We have some people who don't really care much about msq, to the degree of sometimes not even doing it until next patch, who would like to get into savage asap and it wouldn't be reasonable of me to ask them to wait if that's what they're the most excited for. On the other hand, we also have a friend who's into crafting and while it's nice that he can provide us with all the gear and stuff, he has to put a lot of time into preparations, delaying his ability to unlock savage(not to mention he also likes lore a lot so he's doubly screwed).

Another issue is that we're also the leadership crew of our FC, which has players on various levels of skill and experience and we'd like to help them out with getting through normal modes and perhaps the new Extreme trial, but we can't spare much time to do that if we also want to prog savage on week one.

All of these issues would be solved completely if savage was released a single week later than rest of the patch. Me and the crafter friend would be able to do all the story quests at a relaxed peace and he would also get entire week for crafting. We all could help out the more casual FC mates with things, maybe do some FC EX runs. Then next week we could all go and tackle savage together, without anyone having to stress over things.

Now for downsides I can only see two. One is obviously people who only care for savage having to wait longer, while the rest of the content doesn't really interest them. Second is that we'd be up to 900 tomes ahead gearing-wise(normal raid gear doesn't matter since it's same ilvl as crafted), but I don't think it's that much of an advantage tbh, as it's just one big piece of gear(chest/pants) or 2 weaker ones. If SE deemed it to be a big issue, they could also lock new tomestone purchases until 3rd week, while still allowing us to collect them - of course this isn't exactly an ideal solution, but I don't think it'd be too bad.

[Payadopa]

Yeah, let's cater even more to raiders.

[Bright-Flower]

As someone who enjoys the story, if I were still a raider like I was back in my WoW days, I would 100% appreciate this. Being able to have a week to do the story before jumping into the savage stuff day 1, having to rush through normal mode story. That said I can also see why people who raid savage but do NOT care for the story would want to just jump in right away.

Personally I'd rather lean toward the former, but can see the argument against it too. But as WoW burnt me out on raiding and I have no desire to get into Savage in FFXIV, I don't really have a dog in that race.

[SDaemon]

Yeah, let's cater even more to raiders.

Considering how casual heavy the game is, that isnt asking for much.

[Satarn]

Yeah, let's cater even more to raiders.

This just in: SE changes release times of raid content - non-raiders most affected!

[Aurelius2625]

There's a few trolls that are sour and bitter here that are against it. If you're against this, then you're just trolling, or bitter for no reason. There's literally positively absolutely no reason in delaying savage for a week.

You can delay tomes being dropped and awarded for a week and put it in a little hotfix or minipatch for content, you'd just get the older tomes in the meantime, which would still be valuable to farm as they are needed for tome mats to make stuff, so people would still have a reason to run the content as is.

The normal mode drops could stay as they are, there's no issue and you'd just have two pieces of 480 or what have you... you'd still be behind if you didn't have crafted and you'd have to spam normal modes week 2, the first week of savage, to even have that. It'd be for the benefit of crafters to make pots and food and gear. There's literally no reason NOT to do this. It gives smaller statics without DEDICATED crafters the chance to prepare.

Again, you're just a troll or a bitter angry old man/woman if you're against this. No reason not to.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

There's a few trolls that are sour and bitter here that are against it. If you're against this, then you're just trolling, or bitter for no reason. There's literally positively absolutely no reason in delaying savage for a week.

You can delay tomes being dropped and awarded for a week and put it in a little hotfix or minipatch for content, you'd just get the older tomes in the meantime, which would still be valuable to farm as they are needed for tome mats to make stuff, so people would still have a reason to run the content as is.

The normal mode drops could stay as they are, there's no issue and you'd just have two pieces of 480 or what have you... you'd still be behind if you didn't have crafted and you'd have to spam normal modes week 2, the first week of savage, to even have that. It'd be for the benefit of crafters to make pots and food and gear. There's literally no reason NOT to do this. It gives smaller statics without DEDICATED crafters the chance to prepare.

Again, you're just a troll or a bitter angry old man/woman if you're against this. No reason not to.

Thanks Obama.


Some people like challenging with minimum ilvl. There are some reasons to be against it that aren't trolling. There are different viewpoints and this isn't right VS wrong. I'm not telling people not to ask for it, just saying why I like it the way it is.

My group certainly isn't hardcore, we spent the first night clearing the normal modes. I'm the only one with crafted gear(that I didn't get until Saturday) , and one of us only unlocked expert roulette yesterday.

Its still fun to jump in immediately and see how things go. We got e5s down Friday, after 3 days of our dnc dcing every 10-15 minutes cuz ps4 wifi.

[Packetdancer]

Yeah, let's cater even more to raiders.

I mean, this actually seems to me to benefit everyone?

A lot of the officers in my FC are very into savage raiding. They're also usually very good about helping the players who aren't. For most of the first week, where you had more casual folks who were taking their time with stuff, a lot of the higher-level FC folks were unavailable because they were gathering/crafting for raid, actually in raid, and whatever else. If savage was delayed a week, they'd take their time on gathering/crafting a new tier of raid gear rather than having to try to arrange to take a day off and then spend the whole day prepping, they'd be able to help the folks who don't raid when those folks wanted help with content right after the patch dropped, etc. By having a week ahead of time to do the story content themselves (and thus be ready to help folks with new dungeons/trials), to craft at a more leisurely pace (and thus do other things alongside that crafting), and then once savage kicked in, they'd have time to do that and still do other things alongside it.

That benefits all the non-raiders in the FC.

Some people like challenging with minimum ilvl. There are some reasons to be against it that aren't trolling. There are different viewpoints and this isn't right VS wrong. I'm not telling people not to ask for it, just saying why I like it the way it is.

A large portion of the thread is how folks are already getting all the crafted gear—albeit at the expense of their static's crafter being able to do anything until everyone's got a full set of the new crafted tier, so giving up an entire day to gathering mats/crafting gear—before going in. Demonstrably, the folks who are really serious week one raiders are going to go in with the crafted gear ilevel rather than the minimum ilevel. And I'm not sure why the folks who want the challenge of minimum ilevel wouldn't still be able to do that with their group if it started a week late.

I mean, maybe if you don't have a static (so have to PF everything) and want the minimum ilevel challenge, then you're more likely to get a group that matches that desire if no one outside of the really serious raiders has had a chance to craft their gear...?