Can we please delay Savage?

[linay]

As someone who doesn't do Savage, I don't mind either way.

As someone who sometimes watch people do Savage on streams, I do think it's nicer to see if Normal and Savage are released on the same day, whether or not the raid itself is delayed after a patch.

[HyoMinPark]

Why not delay it a month?

Or you can just commit to doing it day 1 if its something you want to do day 1.

If you want to compete for world first clearing, then you make the choice to do that. Waking up early to make sure you get your gear and consumables crafted, or paying for those, is part of it. If you want to do it casually, then do it casually.

Because this is something only “casual raiders” have requested before? This request was originally made by a well-known world racer. It is not an issue of “casual raiders”.

[xxvaynxx]

I agree.
As a raider myself. I prefer if savage is delayed a week because it's very annoying to rush everything to get ready for savage.

More so if you're broke like me and have to farm tomes to sell to crafters to even get the gear then food, pots.
It's pretty stressful.

[VenKitsune]

I agree - from 10am when the servers went live on patch day, i spent the whole day crafting preping for raid in the evening. Come evening, only half of the raid team had cleared normal mode and was ready to raid - They had to skip cutscenes and loose out on story, and we had to use valuable raid time helping them get their clears. My team wasn't the only ones, a lot of friends i've talked to had similar issues on day 1 due to a schedule that had tuesday evening as their start time.

If you want to be part of the first wave, make time for the first wave.

Delaying Savage would only postpone first wave problems.

If you can't make the time due to other commitments, then continue to take things at your own pace. You've already made the decision to play at your own pace, so it doesn't particularly matter to you if savage releases today or tomorrow or next month.

Others, however, want to dive into it as soon as they possibly can, even if that means skipping the story to set foot in there first.

Both playstayles are perfectly fine. Find a static that supports your chosen playstyle, whether that choice is yours or your situation.

I disagree. Outside of the most hardcore of raiders, no 8 person static is going to have all 8 people have EXACTLY the same mindset, and even then people have work and so even if some people can make time to prepare for raiding on patch day, others have other commitments they can't ignore and by extension, have to gimp their own experience just to even unlock the content in the first place.

I know that famously players are good at spotting problems, but not necessarily very good at thinking up solutions, we're not professional game designers, i think an ability to unlock savage straight away without even having started the normal mode would be called for here - Put in 3-5 warning windows if needed to discourage non-hardcore raiders from accidentally unlocking savage first if needed, but atleast give some credit and some attention to people who'd need a system like that. That being said, i realise that doing that would mean that SE wouldn't be able to make Savage story oriented like they have with eden savage so far, a side-story to the existing one of sorts, and i really like that....So in which case, savage coming out a week after patch would be the better option. Savage coming out a week after patch has its advantages - It means those in the world first race would be on equal footing to eachother as they have a full week to prepare rather than a case of which team can have the most people calling in sick or taking the day off of work on patch day.

[van_arn]

I agree - from 10am when the servers went live on patch day, i spent the whole day crafting preping for raid in the evening. Come evening, only half of the raid team had cleared normal mode and was ready to raid - They had to skip cutscenes and loose out on story, and we had to use valuable raid time helping them get their clears. My team wasn't the only ones, a lot of friends i've talked to had similar issues on day 1 due to a schedule that had tuesday evening as their start time.







I disagree. Outside of the most hardcore of raiders, no 8 person static is going to have all 8 people have EXACTLY the same mindset, and even then people have work and so even if some people can make time to prepare for raiding on patch day, others have other commitments they can't ignore and by extension, have to gimp their own experience just to even unlock the content in the first place.

I know that famously players are good at spotting problems, but not necessarily very good at thinking up solutions, we're not professional game designers, i think an ability to unlock savage straight away without even having started the normal mode would be called for here - Put in 3-5 warning windows if needed to discourage non-hardcore raiders from accidentally unlocking savage first if needed, but atleast give some credit and some attention to people who'd need a system like that. That being said, i realise that doing that would mean that SE wouldn't be able to make Savage story oriented like they have with eden savage so far, a side-story to the existing one of sorts, and i really like that....So in which case, savage coming out a week after patch would be the better option. Savage coming out a week after patch has its advantages - It means those in the world first race would be on equal footing to eachother as they have a full week to prepare rather than a case of which team can have the most people calling in sick or taking the day off of work on patch day.

Outside of the most hardcore of raiders then, it doesn't matter.

As it stands, if your static wants to wait a day or a week-- then it is your static's prerogative to do so. Don't make Square force the decision on other people because your static wants or needs to take their time.

I wouldn't be opposed to a "unlock directly to savage" option, but hitting the ground running is absolutely part of the world first race. The statics that can hit the ground running will, and should, have a natural advantage over those that want or need to take their time.

[HyoMinPark]

That being said, i realise that doing that would mean that SE wouldn't be able to make Savage story oriented like they have with eden savage so far, a side-story to the existing one of sorts, and i really like that....So in which case, savage coming out a week after patch would be the better option.

Unshackling Savage from the normal mode wouldn’t impact this too much. Savage itself hasn’t been heavily story-oriented since Coil. The Savage fights now are basically just harder re-imaginings of fights you’ve already participated in without much, if any, additional lore to it. So there wouldn’t be much to lose out on. I’d prefer to lose that over having to skip the story-heavy normal mode simply because I have to work on Patch Day.

Outside of the most hardcore of raiders then, it doesn't matter.

As it stands, if your static wants to wait a day or a week-- then it is your static's prerogative to do so. Don't make Square force the decision on other people because your static wants or needs to take their time.

Delaying Savage for a week is something even hardcore raiders have asked for. The initial request was made by Layla Bell at the last NA FanFest. This isn’t exclusive to non-hardcore raiders, and I highly doubt WF raiders would be that upset about a week delay. Ultimately, this is a heavily win-win situation.

[EaMett]

This one gets it.

Take your time if you'd prefer or are obligated to. But don't penalize the people that have made the time to make it happen.

First wave means first wave. If you breathe a word about commitments outside of the game, you're not in the running for first wave; those people have already settled those commitments the day the date was announced.

Can we talk about how them giving the official date out two weeks ahead of time is too short a notice >.> Especially if you need to give your job a month's heads up.

[SaberMaxwell]

Honestly Sebazy's post says all of my own reasons for wanting this; even a day or two would be fine. It's not even necessarily about "taking your time" for me, it's about making sure everyone has full craft+pentamelds ready to go for the tier, something we very much can't prepare for beyond basics before the patch is dropped. Referencing Sebazy and I'll mention my own FC's worldprog group No Hit, they have almost an entire static's worth of players on hand just to craft them gear, food, and pots while they push as far into the tier as they can without them.

My static very much lacks those kinds of resources, even if we wanted to world prog, and it did take some time away from our attempts to week one kill this tier.

[Irisdina_Wiloh]

100% agree with the idea of delaying Savage by one week. When Savage comes out at the start of the expac it's way less stressful, you've had 2 weeks to prep for it and you can wake up on patch day, unlock it and get started. Since I started raiding at the end of HW I've always found it kind of annoying that you only get this "prep" window as such once per expac. I don't see how anyone loses out with a one week delay on Savage being released. SE already likes to drip feed content at times and other times it almost feels like we get too much in one go.

You had to make a choice on Tuesday whether you wanted to do story/Ruby Wep EX or Raid. If you moved Savage to a week later, everyone gets time to do everything without having to sacrifice anything.

[Curisu]

Why so long? Then every have already a few 490 parts and the raid gets even easyer.
A delay of 24h for the first week would be nice.
So at day 1 you can do the normal raid and prepare stuff for savage and at day 2 you can do these nice little blind runs with your static or PF.
Especially the PF raiders need to be in the first wave to get fast into the 2nd and 3rd fight to avoid a lot of casuals in the first one.