Holy now a bannable spell.

[Melichoir]

Lmao, I always enjoy using logic on things like this. So here let me help you out.


Desynthing is an action that players do to get something out of. So we as the community are accepting of said spam.

Spamming holy is not healing damaging or whatever in said area, and nothing is being got through said action. So it is not acceptable to players.




Simple logic, simple answer. You get what you deserved.

Its the principle behind the action that is raising eyebrows. If we take the OP at their word (and mind you I typically dont most times cause it's usually a case of someone doing a lot more than something innocuous that results in the ban) Someone literally reported and got someone suspended for using an action in the game because they found it annoying. The issue here isnt about the mechanics of hte spell, if its in the right spot or not, or anything of that nature. Its purely about "This action annoyed me, so I reported and they got suspended." If you take this logic and play it out, it means any action is bannable. Dont like someone using their emotes: Banned. Dont like someone doing crafting actions: Banned. Dont like people playing music using the bard action: Banned.

And why not? Afterall, all these actions can be considered annoying and be subject to a ban. And how can you argue against it because the precedent was set. It gets more problematic because now people with bad intentions can justifiably abuse the report function for their own fun. Let's not beat around the bush here, there are plenty of players who would get a kick of getting someone else suspended and a few who would actively seek out players to suspend.

This is the problem. Youre saying it's justified is overly simplistic about the nuance of this having repercussions down the road for other players.

[Wavaryen]

Its the principle behind the action that is raising eyebrows. If we take the OP at their word (and mind you I typically dont most times cause it's usually a case of someone doing a lot more than something innocuous that results in the ban) Someone literally reported and got someone suspended for using an action in the game because they found it annoying. The issue here isnt about the mechanics of hte spell, if its in the right spot or not, or anything of that nature. Its purely about "This action annoyed me, so I reported and they got suspended." If you take this logic and play it out, it means any action is bannable. Dont like someone using their emotes: Banned. Dont like someone doing crafting actions: Banned. Dont like people playing music using the bard action: Banned.

And why not? Afterall, all these actions can be considered annoying and be subject to a ban. And how can you argue against it because the precedent was set. It gets more problematic because now people with bad intentions can justifiably abuse the report function for their own fun. Let's not beat around the bush here, there are plenty of players who would get a kick of getting someone else suspended and a few who would actively seek out players to suspend.

This is the problem. Youre saying it's justified is overly simplistic about the nuance of this having repercussions down the road for other players.

Because you got to look behind intent of said action.

If you are playing said song, the music was added for players to play said music for themselves and others. So that action is deemed acceptable.


Spamming Holy in the city. Does not fall into that area. Because that spell is used for combat, and that area combat is not needed.

[Melichoir]

Because you got to look behind intent of said action.

If you are playing said song, the music was added for players to play said music for themselves and others. So that action is deemed acceptable.


Spamming Holy in the city. Does not fall into that area. Because that spell is used for combat, and that area combat is not needed.

We dont live in a system of intent and you should know this well enough. One person's fun is another person's annoyance. If I stand next to you, pick fife, and play the highest pitched notes back and forth in a loose tune, is that harassment or just part of the game? How can you tell, let alone the GM? I can legitimately say Im just playing it for fun and tryin stuff out.

This is my point, and the core issue. You cant tell intent, and it's not about the skill and it's use, its about the how a player feels regarding another player. It doesnt matter about location or intent, it only matters how Player A feels about Player B. Pelotan isnt a combat ability, and it too would fall into the category of abuse based on what occurred. Or flipping things around, if I am running around playing Fife in a field, can someone report me cause it's annoying? I mean, Fife isnt a combat skill and has no place out in the world. If this was an action that the Devs did not want to occur at all, they couldve disabled combat skills within the city. It's not like skills arent already coded into categories as it is, or that they dont already have the functionality built into the game as it were.

Hell, speaking of intent, what is considered spam. Is twice in a city spam? Three Times? Four Times? If someone reported cause its annoying and harassment, doesnt only once matter? What if its not even teh same spell. Lets say youre using BLU and you shooting of a few spells to show them off or whatever, does that count? What if Im just having fun with a group of people in a corner and someone runs by on their way to a quest and sees me using unleash a few times. that Bannable? What if Im using pelotan a few times cause I keep missing who Im trying to apply it to. Does that count as ban worthy?

See, you dont know the intent of the player in question, you dont know what exactly counts as spam, you dont know the circumstances of the situation, and you are fairly selective of "What counts and what doesnt" based on your own personal interpretations, and not what actually happened. To the best of our knowledge, the GM issues a 3 day suspension for someone using Holy at least more than once in a city at the behest of another player who thought it was annoying. That's it. So explain to me why youre so sure that your interpretation is the correct one and that the issue isnt a GM setting a precedent that using skills in city can get you suspended.

I would hazard a guess and the person who got banned had one of those macros where they add a chat line when they hit the spell. I'd ban for one of those.

I woudlnt be surprised. I typically give the benefit of the doubt to the GMs when threads like this come up simply because they typically dont ban players over innocuous things like this. Theyll give you a warning if they bother at all. More often than not the OP in these types of threads tends to leave out some crucial information to bolster their position. That being said, if everything is legit, than this is way to much IMO and a bit out of line for the GMs.

[Wavaryen]

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I mean you could break it down like that, but at the end of the day. If a large enough group of people report you..and the GMS consider that you have no reason to do said thing at that spot. I guess it is a gut call. I mean the GM did get it right, why would you have fun spamming holy in that spot. Why not do it in your room?

[SturmChurro]

It's a communal activity! A celebration! Completely innocent! They didn't do anything wrong!