Holy now a bannable spell.

[Bsrking5]

Using skills outside of combat isn't an issue.

SPAMMING THEM OVER AND OVER AROUND OTHER PLAYERS is the issue here. A holy or two wouldn't have caused any problems.

That much worse, so you're saying that combat doesn't matter it's being around people so in dungeon or fates with others it's a ban able offence

[PeppermintBrown]

That much worse, so you're saying that combat doesn't matter it's being around people so in dungeon or fates with others it's a ban able offence

I didn't say anything about dungeons, are you just trying to twist my words around? Obviously using your spells in combat isn't a bannable offense. We're talking about social situations here.

[Edax]

That much worse, so you're saying that combat doesn't matter it's being around people so in dungeon or fates with others it's a ban able offence

The post you quoted said nothing of dungeons or fates.

[Commander_Justitia]

Guess I have to report all the people doing ocean fishing and spam desynthing fishes now. It is really annoying, they deserve a ban too.
And then these people using sprint on cooldown, can you believe that? How rude.

Next ban will be a player explaining a mechanic to a newbie asking for it. So toxic and elitist and also spoilering content, very bad for the community.


Patch 5.25 gonna be like: Holy has been removed or needs a target to activate.

[Wavaryen]

Guess I have to report all the people doing ocean fishing and spam desynthing fishes now. It is really annoying, they deserve a ban too.
And then these people using sprint on cooldown, can you believe that? How rude.

Next ban will be a player explaining a mechanic to a newbie asking for it. So toxic and elitist and also spoilering content, very bad for the community.


Patch 5.25 gonna be like: Holy has been removed or needs a target to activate.

Lmao, I always enjoy using logic on things like this. So here let me help you out.


Desynthing is an action that players do to get something out of. So we as the community are accepting of said spam.

Spamming holy is not healing damaging or whatever in said area, and nothing is being got through said action. So it is not acceptable to players.




Simple logic, simple answer. You get what you deserved.

[Commander_Justitia]

So we as the community are accepting of said spam.

I'm accepting of holy spam, because it looks beautiful and makes a nice sound.
If you don't like it just disable effects and mute sounds that aren't coming from 'yourself' in the settings. Would be pretty logic to do that, wouldn't it?

Why do you want to force me to play in a way I don't enjoy? Why is it theoretically bothering you what skills other people use? Is it okay again if I use one emote between two holys, that is not spamming right?

You know that there are quests even for battle classes inside cities, with mostly dummies to attack, how do you want to differentiate or tell if somebody is spamming skills for a quest or not?

It's like saying I'm not allowed to wear shiny armor in cities, they make my pc lag and it reduces my enjoyment of the game if its just layers of gearanimation over each other, just wear casual armor in cities. You see how ridiculous that is ? People get banned for nothing serious and with their 3 strike policy to perm ban its a dangerous territory to handle stuff like that.

[PeppermintBrown]

I'm accepting of holy spam, because it looks beautiful and makes a nice sound.
If you don't like it just disable effects and mute sounds that aren't coming from 'yourself' in the settings. Would be pretty logic to do that, wouldn't it?

Why do you want to force me to play in a way I don't enjoy? Why is it theoretically bothering you what skills other people use? Is it okay again if I use one emote between two holys, that is not spamming right?

You know that there are quests even for battle classes inside cities, with mostly dummies to attack, how do you want to differentiate or tell if somebody is spamming skills for a quest or not?

It's like saying I'm not allowed to wear shiny armor in cities, they make my pc lag and it reduces my enjoyment of the game if its just layers of gearanimation over each other, just wear casual armor in cities. You see how ridiculous that is ? People get banned for nothing serious and with their 3 strike policy to perm ban its a dangerous territory to handle stuff like that.

That requires removing ALL spell effects/sounds from other people, you can't isolate a specific person's spells the same way you can keep a specific person from messaging you.

And even if you could, doesn't mean that doing said annoying spamming shouldn't be punishable. There's a very easy solution here. Don't be annoying twit and you won't get suspended. A 3 day suspension isn't exactly the end of the world, it's not like they banned the account outright or gave a long term suspension.

[Commander_Justitia]

And even if you could, doesn't mean that doing said annoying spamming shouldn't be punishable.

Why is it punishable? Because you don't like it? It's a game, let people have fun lol, how is it hurting you?
And yeah it requires all effects to be disabled, you can macro that btw, just takes one button on and off. If one skill annoys you then I guess different skills/emotes annoy you too?!

Only takes 2 more bans similar to that and your account is gone. Like standing in another person or making fun of a lalafell, damn you just got your 3rd strike. Maybe you think different, when people actually get permban accounts for offenses in that category.
We don't know what really happened in this case, but straight out defending bans on simple use of your skills would be so out of touch with reality.
But whatever, this thread is like the pvp one where a person got rape flashbacks when a player jumped on her dead corpse in frontline, and reported&demanded a ban for them.

[Melichoir]

Lmao, I always enjoy using logic on things like this. So here let me help you out.


Desynthing is an action that players do to get something out of. So we as the community are accepting of said spam.

Spamming holy is not healing damaging or whatever in said area, and nothing is being got through said action. So it is not acceptable to players.




Simple logic, simple answer. You get what you deserved.

Its the principle behind the action that is raising eyebrows. If we take the OP at their word (and mind you I typically dont most times cause it's usually a case of someone doing a lot more than something innocuous that results in the ban) Someone literally reported and got someone suspended for using an action in the game because they found it annoying. The issue here isnt about the mechanics of hte spell, if its in the right spot or not, or anything of that nature. Its purely about "This action annoyed me, so I reported and they got suspended." If you take this logic and play it out, it means any action is bannable. Dont like someone using their emotes: Banned. Dont like someone doing crafting actions: Banned. Dont like people playing music using the bard action: Banned.

And why not? Afterall, all these actions can be considered annoying and be subject to a ban. And how can you argue against it because the precedent was set. It gets more problematic because now people with bad intentions can justifiably abuse the report function for their own fun. Let's not beat around the bush here, there are plenty of players who would get a kick of getting someone else suspended and a few who would actively seek out players to suspend.

This is the problem. Youre saying it's justified is overly simplistic about the nuance of this having repercussions down the road for other players.

[Wavaryen]

Its the principle behind the action that is raising eyebrows. If we take the OP at their word (and mind you I typically dont most times cause it's usually a case of someone doing a lot more than something innocuous that results in the ban) Someone literally reported and got someone suspended for using an action in the game because they found it annoying. The issue here isnt about the mechanics of hte spell, if its in the right spot or not, or anything of that nature. Its purely about "This action annoyed me, so I reported and they got suspended." If you take this logic and play it out, it means any action is bannable. Dont like someone using their emotes: Banned. Dont like someone doing crafting actions: Banned. Dont like people playing music using the bard action: Banned.

And why not? Afterall, all these actions can be considered annoying and be subject to a ban. And how can you argue against it because the precedent was set. It gets more problematic because now people with bad intentions can justifiably abuse the report function for their own fun. Let's not beat around the bush here, there are plenty of players who would get a kick of getting someone else suspended and a few who would actively seek out players to suspend.

This is the problem. Youre saying it's justified is overly simplistic about the nuance of this having repercussions down the road for other players.

Because you got to look behind intent of said action.

If you are playing said song, the music was added for players to play said music for themselves and others. So that action is deemed acceptable.


Spamming Holy in the city. Does not fall into that area. Because that spell is used for combat, and that area combat is not needed.