Holy now a bannable spell.

[CrocodileRocking]

Man this community really has some VERY sensitive people.

Is you being sensitive to sensitive people any different? Stop being so sensitive!!!! I'm sure nothing in this world annoys you right? Everyone is annoyed by something, some people seem to think their annoyances is more important than others and call others sensitive. This community have VERY sensitive people indeed. lmao

Its the principle behind the action that is raising eyebrows. If we take the OP at their word (and mind you I typically dont most times cause it's usually a case of someone doing a lot more than something innocuous that results in the ban) Someone literally reported and got someone suspended for using an action in the game because they found it annoying. The issue here isnt about the mechanics of hte spell, if its in the right spot or not, or anything of that nature. Its purely about "This action annoyed me, so I reported and they got suspended." If you take this logic and play it out, it means any action is bannable. Dont like someone using their emotes: Banned. Dont like someone doing crafting actions: Banned. Dont like people playing music using the bard action: Banned.

And why not? Afterall, all these actions can be considered annoying and be subject to a ban. And how can you argue against it because the precedent was set. It gets more problematic because now people with bad intentions can justifiably abuse the report function for their own fun. Let's not beat around the bush here, there are plenty of players who would get a kick of getting someone else suspended and a few who would actively seek out players to suspend.

This is the problem. Youre saying it's justified is overly simplistic about the nuance of this having repercussions down the road for other players.

How is that a problem and you over exaggerating what can be banned not a problem. That's a fallacy and you know it. Please name one time ever in FFXIV's existence that someone was banned for doing what the game intended you to do? There's always more to the story and you know it. You said it yourself.

Actually, that's not correct at all. Most people don't call others sensitive because they're annoyed by things that they, themselves, are not; people normally will call someone sensitive because of their reaction to said action. I am annoyed by many things in game, i find many things that many people do annoying; I however do not resort to reporting them on those grounds even when i could make a case for it.
Punishing people for annoying me is not something i enjoy doing, but many people in the XIV community do seem to enjoy that; in fact, a great many seem to revel in someone getting punished for something that is essentially inconsequential to any of the parties that were involved.

What? If you get annoyed by something you are sensitive to that subject. Doesn't matter if you react to it or not. Just because they do something about it doesn't make them any more sensitive than you. Being annoyed by people spamming holy and reporting is no different then you being annoyed at sensitive people. If people are purposely annoying people they deserve to be punish. You going to tell me if I troll the hell out of you you wouldn't feel i deserve to be punished even though you don't like reporting people? Noone is that saintly.

We dont live in a system of intent and you should know this well enough. One person's fun is another person's annoyance. If I stand next to you, pick fife, and play the highest pitched notes back and forth in a loose tune, is that harassment or just part of the game? How can you tell, let alone the GM? I can legitimately say Im just playing it for fun and tryin stuff out.

This is my point, and the core issue. You cant tell intent, and it's not about the skill and it's use, its about the how a player feels regarding another player. It doesnt matter about location or intent, it only matters how Player A feels about Player B. Pelotan isnt a combat ability, and it too would fall into the category of abuse based on what occurred. Or flipping things around, if I am running around playing Fife in a field, can someone report me cause it's annoying? I mean, Fife isnt a combat skill and has no place out in the world. If this was an action that the Devs did not want to occur at all, they couldve disabled combat skills within the city. It's not like skills arent already coded into categories as it is, or that they dont already have the functionality built into the game as it were.

Hell, speaking of intent, what is considered spam. Is twice in a city spam? Three Times? Four Times? If someone reported cause its annoying and harassment, doesnt only once matter? What if its not even teh same spell. Lets say youre using BLU and you shooting of a few spells to show them off or whatever, does that count? What if Im just having fun with a group of people in a corner and someone runs by on their way to a quest and sees me using unleash a few times. that Bannable? What if Im using pelotan a few times cause I keep missing who Im trying to apply it to. Does that count as ban worthy?

See, you dont know the intent of the player in question, you dont know what exactly counts as spam, you dont know the circumstances of the situation, and you are fairly selective of "What counts and what doesnt" based on your own personal interpretations, and not what actually happened. To the best of our knowledge, the GM issues a 3 day suspension for someone using Holy at least more than once in a city at the behest of another player who thought it was annoying. That's it. So explain to me why youre so sure that your interpretation is the correct one and that the issue isnt a GM setting a precedent that using skills in city can get you suspended.

That's right, you don't know. If you have to question if it's ok, don't you think it's best not to? Why can't people just be considerate instead of trying to find a line to cross? And stop making up false equivalency. Argument was bad at the beginning of the thread and it's still bad. Keep on repeating it doesn't make it not bad. You know damn well people are not reporting people for doing what those skills are intended to do.

Sensitivity to a subject is measured by reaction, not by simply acknowledging it. I can acknowledge that something annoys me, but if i don't let it interrupt my day, i'm obviously not sensitive in regards to that subject because it's not impacting me in a meaningful way.

You getting annoyed, it's impacting you. Some people report and that problem goes away. You ignore and it goes away. There is no difference. You both are impacted regardless of your reaction to it.

Actually, it is. Reporting something so inconsequential is showing that a person is overly sensitive to something happening. Spamming holy does not actually impact a person in any meaningful way, but instead of simply going on with their day, the person(s) in question made sure that someone would get punished for annoying them.

So calling people overly sensitive and you being offended by them is more consequential then them being annoyed and someone spamming holy? What makes how you feel better than that person? Also, spamming holy is impacting them. It's annoying them just like they are annoying you by reporting said person. You are both being IMPACTED. Just because you react differently doesn't make it different.


You can think that all you want, and i hope that when you get punished for annoying someone, the hammer of whatever authority is brought down you with its full force; and i expect a smile from you in response.
And yes, i would gladly tell you that, in more cases than not, you can attempt to troll me and i wouldn't report you. I can very much guarantee that you would get bored long before it would ever impact my day, and even then i simply only need ignore you and you're not even there to me anymore. You would go on with your day unfulfilled, and I would continue doing my activity of choice.

No I won't because I know for a fact that it's annoying you and trolling you will never get boring. I will keep on trolling you so you can't do your activity of choice. You can ignore me today but can't ignore me tomorrow, or the next day, or any day after that until you move servers are just quit the game. You are certainly not going to be able to continue doing your activity of choice. And what's going to happen? You going to end up reporting me or go to these forums and start crying about someone trolling you.

As a suggestion, i might suggest actually replying to a post instead of baking it into your original one. It makes for an actual conversation, and i won't always check back to this post to see if you added more onto it.


I'll bite. Tell me, what exactly can you stop me from doing?
If i do the story, you wouldn't be there in the cut scenes or know where i need to go next if i go to the next leg; nor would you be there during my instances.
If i craft, how would you stop me? My UI is a layer above any effect happening so i can always craft or get materials from my retainer.
If i gather, how would you stop me? We all have our own private nodes and even if you attempted to block me, i would still be able to click the nodes.
If i farm mobs, i would get put onto the loot table of anything i fight; so even if you attempted to farm faster than i did, i would only need to contribute to the kills and you will have aided me.
If i level lower classes, how would you get in my way? You could not sabotage fates, and you have no guarantee of getting into the dungeons that i enter into to attempt that there.
If i choose to RP, how would you stop that? If your text gets in my way, i would only need to ignore you until i'm done and perhaps make an in-character remark as to another drunkard needing to be rounded up. In fact, you would be adding to my banter.

So tell me.. How are you going to ruin my game? You have no power to do so.

Sorry but you're being very naive. If I troll you you will never do anything in peace. If you're not in an instance I will find you. Everywhere you go you will wonder if someone is following you. I will have all my friends follow you. We will holy spam your screen non stop. If you have a house we will be there if you're there. You won't be anywhere in the game world without wondering if me and my group will show up right in front of you and spam holy. I'm a troll. I don't care. I will troll you until you report or one of your friends will report. And if i get banned, i will create another account and troll you more. There will be no end to my trolling. You won't be ignoring and laughing it off I can make sure of that.

Also, my apologies but I can't post more than 3 with my current level. So if you don't want to respond you're more than welcome to stop responding to me.

This will be my last reply then. It just looks odd for me to keep talking to the same post over and over again.


I think you're the one being naive, actually.
What is a troll to you? Is it someone who just annoys people for the sake of it? If so.. that's a little one dimensional.
A troll wants a response. They want to be noticed, and they want the other person to lose their cool. They want validation
I wouldn't give you those things. A little bit, or a lot, of holy spam won't get me to respond or get visibly angry with you. How long would you do it without a response, and what is your time or your friends time worth to you? Will you forgo playing the game you're paying for to do that to me?

If you spend hours, days.. weeks.. trying to troll me without a response, what will you have gained? And the more time that you go on doing that without being rewarded, the more i'm actually getting under your skin. The longer a troll devotes to a failed troll, the more they're actually getting trolled in response; because now they're the ones reacting to what's going on instead of the other way around.

NM, let's agree to disagree. You seem like a very nice person and I don't want to argue with you.

[frostmagemari]

Is you being sensitive to sensitive people any different? Stop being so sensitive!!!! I'm sure nothing in this world annoys you right? Everyone is annoyed by something, some people seem to think their annoyances is more important than others and call others sensitive. This community have VERY sensitive people indeed. lmao

Actually, that's not correct at all. Most people don't call others sensitive because they're annoyed by things that they, themselves, are not; people normally will call someone sensitive because of their reaction to said action. I am annoyed by many things in game, i find many things that many people do annoying; I however do not resort to reporting them on those grounds even when i could make a case for it.
Punishing people for annoying me is not something i enjoy doing, but many people in the XIV community do seem to enjoy that; in fact, a great many seem to revel in someone getting punished for something that is essentially inconsequential to any of the parties that were involved.

[Sathona]

Actually, that's not correct at all. Most people don't call others sensitive because they're annoyed by things that they, themselves, are not; people normally will call someone sensitive because of their reaction to said action. I am annoyed by many things in game, i find many things that many people do annoying; I however do not resort to reporting them on those grounds even when i could make a case for it.
Punishing people for annoying me is not something i enjoy doing, but many people in the XIV community do seem to enjoy that; in fact, a great many seem to revel in someone getting punished for something that is essentially inconsequential to any of the parties that were involved.

THANK YOU for being logical!

[frostmagemari]

What? If you get annoyed by something you are sensitive to that subject. Doesn't matter if you react to it or not. Just because they do something about it doesn't make them any more sensitive than you.

Sensitivity to a subject is measured by reaction, not by simply acknowledging it. I can acknowledge that something annoys me, but if i don't let it interrupt my day, i'm obviously not sensitive in regards to that subject because it's not impacting me in a meaningful way.

Being annoyed by people spamming holy and reporting is no different then you being annoyed at sensitive people.

Actually, it is. Reporting something so inconsequential is showing that a person is overly sensitive to something happening. Spamming holy does not actually impact a person in any meaningful way, but instead of simply going on with their day, the person(s) in question made sure that someone would get punished for annoying them.

If people are purposely annoying people they deserve to be punish. You going to tell me if I troll the hell out of you you wouldn't feel i deserve to be punished even though you don't like reporting people? Noone is that saintly.

You can think that all you want, and i hope that when you get punished for annoying someone, the hammer of whatever authority is brought down you with its full force; and i expect a smile from you in response.
And yes, i would gladly tell you that, in more cases than not, you can attempt to troll me and i wouldn't report you. I can very much guarantee that you would get bored long before it would ever impact my day, and even then i simply only need ignore you and you're not even there to me anymore. You would go on with your day unfulfilled, knowing you wasted your time for zero response from me; and I would continue doing my activity of choice.

[frostmagemari]

One big super post

As a suggestion, i might suggest actually replying to a post instead of baking it into your original one. It makes for an actual conversation, and i won't always check back to this post to see if you added more onto it.

No I won't because I know for a fact that it's annoying you and trolling you will never get boring. I will keep on trolling you so you can't do your activity of choice. You can ignore me today but can't ignore me tomorrow, or the next day, or any day after that until you move servers are just quit the game. You are certainly not going to be able to continue doing your activity of choice. And what's going to happen? You going to end up reporting me or go to these forums and start crying about someone trolling you.

I'll bite. Tell me, what exactly can you stop me from doing?
If i do the story, you wouldn't be there in the cut scenes or know where i need to go next if i go to the next leg; nor would you be there during my instances.
If i craft, how would you stop me? My UI is a layer above any effect happening so i can always craft or get materials from my retainer.
If i gather, how would you stop me? We all have our own private nodes and even if you attempted to block me, i would still be able to click the nodes.
If i farm mobs, i would get put onto the loot table of anything i fight; so even if you attempted to farm faster than i did, i would only need to contribute to the kills and you will have aided me.
If i level lower classes, how would you get in my way? You could not sabotage fates, and you have no guarantee of getting into the dungeons that i enter into to attempt that there.
If i choose to RP, how would you stop that? If your text gets in my way, i would only need to ignore you until i'm done and perhaps make an in-character remark as to another drunkard needing to be rounded up. In fact, you would be adding to my banter.

So tell me.. How are you going to ruin my game? You have no power to do so.

[monk-dps]

As a suggestion, i might suggest actually replying to a post instead of baking it into your original one. It makes for an actual conversation, and i won't always check back to this post to see if you added more onto it.


I'll bite. Tell me, what exactly can you stop me from doing?
If i do the story, you wouldn't be there in the cut scenes or know where i need to go next if i go to the next leg; nor would you be there during my instances.
If i craft, how would you stop me? My UI is a layer above any effect happening so i can always craft or get materials from my retainer.
If i gather, how would you stop me? We all have our own private nodes and even if you attempted to block me, i would still be able to click the nodes.
If i farm mobs, i would get put onto the loot table of anything i fight; so even if you attempted to farm faster than i did, i would only need to contribute to the kills and you will have aided me.
If i level lower classes, how would you get in my way? You could not sabotage fates, and you have no guarantee of getting into the dungeons that i enter into to attempt that there.
If i choose to RP, how would you stop that? If your text gets in my way, i would only need to ignore you until i'm done and perhaps make an in-character remark as to another drunkard needing to be rounded up. In fact, you would be adding to my banter.

So tell me.. How are you going to ruin my game? You have no power to do so.

I would just boop your nose.. but that's just me. - likes your miqo design.-

[frostmagemari]

Also, my apologies but I can't post more than 3 with my current level. So if you don't want to respond you're more than welcome to stop responding to me.

This will be my last reply then. It just looks odd for me to keep talking to the same post over and over again.

Sorry but you're being very naive. If I troll you you will never do anything in peace. If you're not in an instance I will find you. Everywhere you go you will wonder if someone is following you. I will have all my friends follow you. We will holy spam your screen non stop. If you have a house we will be there if you're there. You won't be anywhere in the game world without wondering if me and my group will show up right in front of you and spam holy. I'm a troll. I don't care. I will troll you until you report or one of your friends will report. And if i get banned, i will create another account and troll you more. There will be no end to my trolling. You won't be ignoring and laughing it off I can make sure of that.

I think you're the one being naive, actually.
What is a troll to you? Is it someone who just annoys people for the sake of it? If so.. that's a little one dimensional.
A troll wants a response. They want to be noticed, and they want the other person to lose their cool. They want validation
I wouldn't give you those things. A little bit, or a lot, of holy spam won't get me to respond or get visibly angry with you. How long would you do it without a response, and what is your time or your friends time worth to you? Will you forgo playing the game you're paying for to do that to me?

If you spend hours, days.. weeks.. trying to troll me without a response, what will you have gained? And the more time that you go on doing that without being rewarded, the more i'm actually getting under your skin. The longer a troll devotes to a failed troll, the more they're actually getting trolled in response; because now they're the ones reacting to what's going on instead of the other way around.

[QT_Melon]

I think repetitive arguments should be bannable. Page 3 etc may as well be page 23 at this point and having less of a purpose.

I mean what is it going to accomplish if the arguments amount to chewing cud?

[Saefinn]

I think repetitive arguments should be bannable. Page 3 etc may as well be page 23 at this point and having less of a purpose.

I mean what is it going to accomplish if the arguments amount to chewing cud?

I'll revisit this point in 10 or so pages.

[Bsrking5]

I think repetitive arguments should be bannable. Page 3 etc may as well be page 23 at this point and having less of a purpose.

I mean what is it going to accomplish if the arguments amount to chewing cud?

Continued forum presents, if the Devs don't see anything, they don't know of anything from the community.
With what was said in the picture, it's reason to ban any repeat use of any skills with no exceptions. Someone could decide they don't like a player in a instance and use this to abuse the system to get them temporary banned, aka suspended.