The problem with the mentor system

[Neoom]

They aren't perfect 100% of the time and on all classes they max out, and that is not what they agree on either. Being an example doesn't mean ''Be 100% perfect and know your rotation from start to finish no mistakes''.
Let mentors make mistakes, they're human too, just like everyone else.

Since you missed this I'm gonna quote myself
Even if I don't know how to play melee doesn't mean I can't help with casters, my help is still help even if I'm not playing the class in the current duty, it doesn't remove my knowledge just because I want to try out different classes sometimes. Mentor's can learn new things too, they can learn new classes too and can't be perfect from the start. But while they're learning they can still help with other classes/dungeons/anything help is needed in.
I can see mentors will never be good enough for you since you expect 100% perfection that can only be achieved with an AI and maybe that's mentors need to be then, humans can't stop making mistakes even if they're ''the elite helpers'' like you name them.

[RajNish]

But while they're learning they can still help with other classes/dungeons/anything help is needed in.

No one asks mentors to be perfect. Enough basic mechanics, which is completely obvious. Don’t stay in AOE, wait until the tank pulls, kill adds as soon as possible if needed. And this does not apply to accidental mistakes. But I have seen many times how the people with the crown do the exact opposite. I don’t know for what reason, but it doesn’t seem like a good game, instead they make more problems for group.

I'll give Dungeon/Trial or Raid advice if I see problems reoccurring. If I see someone make mistakes playing their Job I'll give advice. But the moment I get a response that says "Don't tell me how to play my job" I just let them make mistakes at that point.

More often than not you get the "Don't tell me how to play" response or you get absolutely nothing in return. Very rarely do you get a "Oh cool I didn't know that thanks!" reply.

I am not a mentor, but I also try to help if I see problems. Some people refuse, some thanks. I don't really care about that, to be honest. If someone listened and we finished the dungeon well, everything is okay. If not ... I will do my best to finish the with minimal losses. This is a game, so a player’s refusal to take advice does not upset me too much.

[Neoom]

No one asks mentors to be perfect. Enough basic mechanics, which is completely obvious. Don’t stay in AOE, wait until the tank pulls, kill adds as soon as possible if needed. And this does not apply to accidental mistakes. But I have seen many times how the people with the crown do the exact opposite. I don’t know for what reason, but it doesn’t seem like a good game, instead they make more problems for group.

I did say this in my full message

Let mentors make mistakes, they're human too, just like everyone else. And before this is taken out of context, I don't mean mistakes as trying to sabotage or purposefully ruin the duty.

I don't mean mentors can do all the mistakes they can and never looked at twice, but I mean silly mistakes happen, people can lag, space out I for one have fps drops so I most likely make ''mistakes'' when my game freezes. Doesn't mean it would make me a bad mentor. But if do sabotage the run by stacking aoes, turning the cleaving boss to the party etc. cause a wipe, it doesn't count as a mistake. Mistakes are human, but sabotaging and ruining the run on purpose isn't a mistake. And yes I've seen mentors and non mentors too do the latter for what ever reasoning (or none at all). I don't know if the 2000 duties/dungeons is enough to make sure the people who do mess up the runs on purpose not make it to a mentor, it only means you play a lot, not how you play so *shrug*
I'm not against the change ideas, but imo there needs to be something way different than just a lot of play time to make it to mentor since it won't tell anything of your play style or if you even remember the duties you have done. Maybe the ''reach X amount of commendations a week'' thing could work, even if it leads to fishing comms. I have no good ideas how to fox the system, I'm not so creative.

[SoranRigel]

I'm not against the change ideas, but imo there needs to be something way different than just a lot of play time to make it to mentor since it won't tell anything of your play style or if you even remember the duties you have done. Maybe the ''reach X amount of commendations a week'' thing could work, even if it leads to fishing comms. I have no good ideas how to fox the system, I'm not so creative.

There should be a working "black list" as an effective way to reduce the number of conflict situations.
It will affect all players, not just mentors. It will help in the future to exclude from your duties groups including those players with whom you "did not agree in the game style": those who unwrap a boss on you, wipes your group, etc.

[Neoom]

There should be a working "black list" as an effective way to reduce the number of conflict situations.
It will affect all players, not just mentors. It will help in the future to exclude from your duties groups including those players with whom you "did not agree in the game style": those who unwrap a boss on you, wipes your group, etc.

Blacklist that works better would be a savior to the game. Yes, it's not the worst, I have not met most of the people on my blacklist again after I put them there, but some I still have in my duties so it clearly needs some work to be fully functional. It's also not the fix to the whole problem, but it would help since some problems are just different play styles that clash instead of a ''real'' problem (as in something that needs reporting or a mentor having to be demoted(?) from the crown)