The problem with the mentor system

[MomomiMomi]

...Mentors are allowed not to know mechanics like everyone else...
Wait a minute, but aren't mentors "experienced players" who "can teach"?
Why are they needed if they do not help, but harm, make elementary mistakes and break mechanics in far from the most difficult duties?
This player had a crown over his head. I can 't figure out what he put it on if he doesn't know the simplest things.

Found the problem. It's your expectation of mentors that is the issue, not the mentor system.

[SoranRigel]

Found the problem. It's your expectation of mentors that is the issue, not the mentor system.

Really?
Ok, let 's go back to the official definition of "mentor":

Mentors are veteran players who chose to offer their time and experience to help guide new adventurers. To facilitate their assistance, mentors will gain access to a special chat channel as well as a means to easily register for duties and trials with new players.

As a mentor you are expected to actively perform the following:

1. Provide gameplay advice for new adventurers and other players.
2. Be an exemplar for player etiquette.
3. Invite new adventurers to the Novice Network and answer their queries in the chat channel.

In connection with this definition (sorry, it 's not "my expectations") I ask the question again: what can these people teach with crowns on their heads if they don 't know the simplest game mechanics?
These people became mentors because the system allows them to do so.
Because they go to farm recommendations to purchase a beautiful badge and winnings.
Not to help.

[EaMett]

Really?
Ok, let 's go back to the official definition of "mentor":

In connection with this definition (sorry, it 's not "my expectations") I ask the question again: what can these people teach with crowns on their heads if they don 't know the simplest game mechanics?
These people became mentors because the system allows them to do so.
Because they go to farm recommendations to purchase a beautiful badge and winnings.
Not to help.

You can be a mentor in full gear on an unfamiliar class and be tunnel visioning so hard you miss mechanics. Not only can this be a thing but I'm pretty sure every mentor and player knows exactly what I'm talking about, first hand.

I personally can't BRD for the life of me. Keeping my eyes on the procs = eating mechanics consistently. I still enjoy playing it and won't stop because some elitist expects a certain level of play out of me because I'm a mentor. (see what I did there)

[SoranRigel]

You can be a mentor in full gear on an unfamiliar class

On an unfamiliar class 80 lvl, ok.

and be tunnel visioning so hard you miss mechanics. Not only can this be a thing but I'm pretty sure every mentor and player knows exactly what I'm talking about, first hand.
I personally can't BRD for the life of me. Keeping my eyes on the procs = eating mechanics consistently. I still enjoy playing it and won't stop because some elitist expects a certain level of play out of me because I'm a mentor. (see what I did there)

If you 're feeling insecure in your class, a good solution would be not to wear the crown, right?

[Neoom]

You can be a mentor in full gear on an unfamiliar class and be tunnel visioning so hard you miss mechanics. Not only can this be a thing but I'm pretty sure every mentor and player knows exactly what I'm talking about, first hand.

^This, since as someone who used a lot of time to max all classes to 80, I still don't know all of them better than basics of the class. I don't have full rotation or how to play on lvl80 content as that class to the full potential. For example, I play casters 99,9% of the time, mostly healers. I know how all those 6 work and to play them to their max potential on 80. But I can't wrap my head around any of the melee classes no matter how I smack a dummy, but it's fine since everyone can have a main class right? Even mentors. Me having all to 80 doesn't mean I know all the jobs perfectly and will put out the best dps no matter what class I play, it means, I had time in my hand and I like leveling classes. I don't have to know all them, only the ones I play more than often. But I can still go mess around in casual content as a melee and try my best to do well, but I can't be held against a wall and say ''You're a mentor why are you so bad at samurai???''. Everyone will play random classes to mix things up every once in a while, even mentors. They aren't perfect 100% of the time and on all classes they max out, and that is not what they agree on either. Being an example doesn't mean ''Be 100% perfect and know your rotation from start to finish no mistakes''.
Let mentors make mistakes, they're human too, just like everyone else. And before this is taken out of context, I don't mean mistakes as trying to sabotage or purposefully ruin the duty.

[SoranRigel]

^This, since as someone who used a lot of time to max all classes to 80, I still don't know all of them better than basics of the class. I don't have full rotation or how to play on lvl80 content as that class to the full potential. For example, I play casters 99,9% of the time, mostly healers. I know how all those 6 work and to play them to their max potential on 80. But I can't wrap my head around any of the melee classes no matter how I smack a dummy, but it's fine since everyone can have a main class right? Even mentors. Me having all to 80 doesn't mean I know all the jobs perfectly and will put out the best dps no matter what class I play, it means, I had time in my hand and I like leveling classes. I don't have to know all them, only the ones I play more than often. But I can still go mess around in casual content as a melee and try my best to do well, but I can't be held against a wall and say ''You're a mentor why are you so bad at samurai???''. Everyone will play random classes to mix things up every once in a while, even mentors. They aren't perfect 100% of the time and on all classes they max out, and that is not what they agree on either. Being an example doesn't mean ''Be 100% perfect and know your rotation from start to finish no mistakes''.
Let mentors make mistakes, they're human too, just like everyone else. And before this is taken out of context, I don't mean mistakes as trying to sabotage or purposefully ruin the duty.

If you 're feeling insecure in your class, a good solution would be not to wear the crown, right?

Otherwise it turns out that mentors should not know mechanics, should not know their class - they do not owe anything to anyone at all. But the crown is for some reason worn.

[RyuSaarva]

Otherwise it turns out that mentors should not know mechanics, should not know their class - they do not owe anything to anyone at all. But the crown is for some reason worn.

yes that is correct, the only thing mentors need is the will to help people, such as telling them that game has limitbreaks or when they get the first mout.

[SoranRigel]

yes that is correct, the only thing mentors need is the will to help people, such as telling them that game has limitbreaks or when they get the first mout.

In that case, these measures -

1. Replace the icon with something more neutral: a book, glasses, a watering can.
2. Focus on the number of completed dungeons for PVE mentors (2,000 dungeons, for example), completed role quests and completed relevant content.
3. A separate option for reporting on mentors.
4. A working blacklist that will allow you to no longer meet with these "mentors" and other bad players in the roulette groups.

- are really needed.
It is unlikely that people who have passed over 2,000 dungeons will be unsure of mechanics, and the button of complaint against the mentor, who was not ashamed to wear the crown insulting newbies and not performing their obligations, will be a good "cold shower."
'Сause by accepting the agreement on what the duties of a mentor are, the player assumes obligations.
And the words that mentors are not obliged to anyone, unfortunately, do not work.

[Neoom]

They aren't perfect 100% of the time and on all classes they max out, and that is not what they agree on either. Being an example doesn't mean ''Be 100% perfect and know your rotation from start to finish no mistakes''.
Let mentors make mistakes, they're human too, just like everyone else.

Since you missed this I'm gonna quote myself
Even if I don't know how to play melee doesn't mean I can't help with casters, my help is still help even if I'm not playing the class in the current duty, it doesn't remove my knowledge just because I want to try out different classes sometimes. Mentor's can learn new things too, they can learn new classes too and can't be perfect from the start. But while they're learning they can still help with other classes/dungeons/anything help is needed in.
I can see mentors will never be good enough for you since you expect 100% perfection that can only be achieved with an AI and maybe that's mentors need to be then, humans can't stop making mistakes even if they're ''the elite helpers'' like you name them.

[RajNish]

But while they're learning they can still help with other classes/dungeons/anything help is needed in.

No one asks mentors to be perfect. Enough basic mechanics, which is completely obvious. Don’t stay in AOE, wait until the tank pulls, kill adds as soon as possible if needed. And this does not apply to accidental mistakes. But I have seen many times how the people with the crown do the exact opposite. I don’t know for what reason, but it doesn’t seem like a good game, instead they make more problems for group.

I'll give Dungeon/Trial or Raid advice if I see problems reoccurring. If I see someone make mistakes playing their Job I'll give advice. But the moment I get a response that says "Don't tell me how to play my job" I just let them make mistakes at that point.

More often than not you get the "Don't tell me how to play" response or you get absolutely nothing in return. Very rarely do you get a "Oh cool I didn't know that thanks!" reply.

I am not a mentor, but I also try to help if I see problems. Some people refuse, some thanks. I don't really care about that, to be honest. If someone listened and we finished the dungeon well, everything is okay. If not ... I will do my best to finish the with minimal losses. This is a game, so a player’s refusal to take advice does not upset me too much.