The problem with the mentor system

[EpicOverlord85]

As someone is a mentor I think a watering can would be kinda cute. Would make sense too!

*as someone who is a mentor

[SoranRigel]

I'm very interested in what kind of help could be offered by the mentor who now was putting AOE under other players and breaking the mechanics in Arboretum (hard).
Oh, yes, it's just an "one-time experience."

[EaMett]

I'm very interested in what kind of help could be offered by the mentor who now was putting AOE under other players and breaking the mechanics in Arboretum (hard).
Oh, yes, it's just an "one-time experience."

Petty.

Mentors are allowed to learn classes and tunnel vision & make mistakes like everyone else. Mentors are allowed to pull fast and/or big like everyone else. Mentors are allowed to be distracted like everyone, they're allowed to not know everything about the game like everyone else, they're allowed to ask questions like everyone else, they're allowed to be clueless at times just like, you guessed it, everyone else.

In fact this may surprise a lot of people in here but mentors are regular players. And the only purpose the mentor system serves is to allow players to know where and who to turn to if they have a question. There's no guaranty attached to it, the mentor may not know, they may not even feel like answering you if they're busy with something else. This isn't toxic nor is it a failure of the system.

Yes mentors are expected to uphold SE values somewhat more than regular players and I've yet to see any evidence of the contrary (systemic), especially when pit against the behavior of non mentors as a means of comparison. The burden of proof is a thing and falls onto those challenging the status quo. I've also seen a fair share of hasty generalization, non sequitur, and strawman fallacies in this thread coming from those claiming the mentor system is broken.
Enough to stand by what I've said before.

Make suggestions on how to improve the system all you want, it'll benefit everyone. Just don't go making dogmatic claims ad misericordiam

[SoranRigel]

Mentors are allowed to learn classes and tunnel vision & make mistakes like everyone else. Mentors are allowed to pull fast and/or big like everyone else. Mentors are allowed to be distracted like everyone, they're allowed to not know everything about the game like everyone else, they're allowed to ask questions like everyone else, they're allowed to be clueless at times just like, you guessed it, everyone else.

...Mentors are allowed not to know mechanics like everyone else...
Wait a minute, but aren't mentors "experienced players" who "can teach"?
Why are they needed if they do not help, but harm, make elementary mistakes and break mechanics in far from the most difficult duties?
This player had a crown over his head. I can 't figure out what he put it on if he doesn't know the simplest things.

[MomomiMomi]

...Mentors are allowed not to know mechanics like everyone else...
Wait a minute, but aren't mentors "experienced players" who "can teach"?
Why are they needed if they do not help, but harm, make elementary mistakes and break mechanics in far from the most difficult duties?
This player had a crown over his head. I can 't figure out what he put it on if he doesn't know the simplest things.

Found the problem. It's your expectation of mentors that is the issue, not the mentor system.

[SoranRigel]

Found the problem. It's your expectation of mentors that is the issue, not the mentor system.

Really?
Ok, let 's go back to the official definition of "mentor":

Mentors are veteran players who chose to offer their time and experience to help guide new adventurers. To facilitate their assistance, mentors will gain access to a special chat channel as well as a means to easily register for duties and trials with new players.

As a mentor you are expected to actively perform the following:

1. Provide gameplay advice for new adventurers and other players.
2. Be an exemplar for player etiquette.
3. Invite new adventurers to the Novice Network and answer their queries in the chat channel.

In connection with this definition (sorry, it 's not "my expectations") I ask the question again: what can these people teach with crowns on their heads if they don 't know the simplest game mechanics?
These people became mentors because the system allows them to do so.
Because they go to farm recommendations to purchase a beautiful badge and winnings.
Not to help.

[Snowdove]

And who is to say that only sprouts need help? Why restrict the Novice Network to only sprouts and returnees?


FF seems to go out of its way to isolate people. No method to apply to Free Companies in game, no way to talk with people in the world beyond your local area...

[SoranRigel]

And who is to say that only sprouts need help? Why restrict the Novice Network to only sprouts and returnees?
FF seems to go out of its way to isolate people. No method to apply to Free Companies in game, no way to talk with people in the world beyond your local area...

We don't need a crown or a special network to help others.
This is really strange in FFXIV, because any member of the group, in theory, should be willing to help. This is in our common interest. So FFXIV is essentially the most antisocial game I've ever played. This is very sad.

[RajNish]

But 2,000 dungeons can you also to farm?

This will require many hours of play. Even if someone decides to farm 50's Ex's uncync every day for many hours... No one will do this for the the watering can icon, glasses or book. Plus, one way or another, having completed 2000 dungeons, these people will understand the basic mechanics.

What do you mean by "relevant content"?

ARR, Heavensward, Stormblood and Shadowbringers, including dungeons and trials, same as in the current system.

[HeulGDarian]

Since you missed this I'm gonna quote myself
Even if I don't know how to play melee doesn't mean I can't help with casters, my help is still help even if I'm not playing the class in the current duty, it doesn't remove my knowledge just because I want to try out different classes sometimes. Mentor's can learn new things too, they can learn new classes too and can't be perfect from the start. But while they're learning they can still help with other classes/dungeons/anything help is needed in.
I can see mentors will never be good enough for you since you expect 100% perfection that can only be achieved with an AI and maybe that's mentors need to be then, humans can't stop making mistakes even if they're ''the elite helpers'' like you name them.

Let me give ya some help. See that 2000 unsynced content they proposed as a great idea that would stop all those unworthy (for them at least) People. Call me a magician but thats actually easier than getting to 1500 commends since they said it could be done unsynced and ofc it doesnt help with learning stuff to teach like you know actually having to interact with People while doing content you havent done or havent nailed to improve yourself. Man they should pay mentors at this point mentors are ip support without the pay if i have to deal with all this Bull and still keep a smiling face. I love the fact the if a mentor is good its to be expected but if he does a sliver of a mistake he is supposed to be burned to the stake. In the end whatever a mentor does he is at the wrong and ofc People only remember the really bad mentors and so they want to kill all of them. Sure make a New symbol cant w8 for the part 2 of this cause i guarantee that this wont stop even with the changes symbol