The problem with the mentor system

[Snowdove]

So you are confirming the mentor system is worthless, and we just need a world chat channel to replace it?! I agree.

I guess the world chat would serve the same purpose. However, in my experience in WoW, you can ask in world chat and very often not get an answer.


FF14 mentors, on the other hand, are routinely helpful. At least in the novice channel. Not much experience in the outside world since...well, no world chat. And I hate asking people out of the blue. At least in a world chat, you know they are looking for a conversation...or at least are willing to read one.


So I am fine with the mentor thing, as long as mentors want to be mentors. If you don't want to be one, why have it? Maybe as a toggle? If you don't want to help, turn off your mentor status. When you're ready to help, turn it back on.


But yeah, FF14 needs a world chat. Won't happen, though. Doesn't seem to fit the culture.

[ShariusTC]

So you are confirming the mentor system is worthless, and we just need a world chat channel to replace it?! I agree.

No it's not, if there is world chat channel in this game, it will be swamp with bot in no time, atleast with NN there is an easy way to filter them out, and even if they manage to get in we can alway kick them

as long as there is no toxicity like shaming, trolling, spoiling or abusing other player, NN channel is fine on it own

When I started playing 14 again, I had to turn off cactuar's NN regularly, because it was a nonstop wall of text, and I was autoinvited because I was somehow a returner and mentor simultaneously.

It fills the dual role of global linkshell (11 and 14 are combined the least friendly and most counter-intuitive games for being social, so NN is likely the first and possibly only group chat you're ever going to see as a newbie) and new player help center, and while it always filled that role, it was a bit too much at times.

i just make 2 chat tab, one for NN, other for everything else, and switch between them, easy even i play on PS4

[Ssmiley_Bjakkzz]

oh no a necro...

[Rymm]

oh no a necro...

That being said...

Oh look, another "let's fix mentors thread", haven't seen one of those this week.

[MomomiMomi]

The problem with the mentor system is that people keep thinking there's a problem with it.

[Ssmiley_Bjakkzz]

yup and thats being a necro now...

[Ultimatecalibur]

I've also come up with a band-aid solution for this, which might fix this problem by a large margin: Change the icon to something neutral, not too appealing.
An idea for example might be glasses with a wood pointer/the corresponding icon for the mentoring part.
I've even made example pictures for this:
General Mentor:
PvE Mentor:
Trade Mentor:
PvP Mentor:

Now I 100% know, that SE will not use these icons I've made, of course, but these are only to show, how it could look like.

You are not alone, but glasses likely wouldn't work. A watering can has been suggested as a good alternate icon.

[Early_Lily]

You are not alone, but glasses likely wouldn't work. A watering can has been suggested as a good alternate icon.

Oh god i love this.

[seraf]

I'll give Dungeon/Trial or Raid advice if I see problems reoccurring. If I see someone make mistakes playing their Job I'll give advice. But the moment I get a response that says "Don't tell me how to play my job" I just let them make mistakes at that point.

More often than not you get the "Don't tell me how to play" response or you get absolutely nothing in return. Very rarely do you get a "Oh cool I didn't know that thanks!" reply.

[Hash_Browns]

Changing the symbol wont do any good. Having something to claim by your name, and offering a roulette + glam + mount will always attract people to the mentor program.

The issue is that mentors aren't easily defined, and many players define what a mentor should be differently.