The problem with the mentor system

[RajNish]

Let me give ya some help. See that 2000 unsynced content they proposed as a great idea

Do not misinterpret my words, please. I said exactly the following:

2. Focus on the number of completed dungeons for PVE mentors (2,000 dungeons, for example), completed role quests and completed relevant content.

Even if someone decides to farm 50's Ex's uncync every day for many hours... No one will do this for the the watering can icon, glasses or book.

Unfortunately, you have missed the words "relevant content".

I don't know if the 2000 duties/dungeons is enough to make sure the people who do mess up the runs on purpose not make it to a mentor, it only means you play a lot, not how you play so *shrug*

If can be 2,000 roulette dungeons and trials, or just not uncynced.

[Neoom]

If can be 2,000 roulette dungeons and trials, or just not uncynced.

Well if it's so unsynced runs do not count, then yes it would most likely work somewhat better. I don't know did you mention about the unsync or did I just read past it, sorry if I did tired eyes miss some stuff ^^''

[RajNish]

Well if it's so unsynced runs do not count, then yes it would most likely work somewhat better. I don't know did you mention about the unsync or did I just read past it, sorry if I did tired eyes miss some stuff ^^''

I mentioned non-synchronization only in the context of the fact that the "farmers" will not spend time on this for the sake of the book or watering can icons. Actually a working option - to take into account activities in the same way as with gaining experience points, when unsynchronized dungeons, trials, raids are not counted. Whereas synchronized group activities, including roulette, will be counted. I think that this method is more suitable than a recommendation system.

[Neoom]

I mentioned non-synchronization only in the context of the fact that the "farmers" will not spend time on this for the sake of the book or watering can icons. Actually a working option - to take into account activities in the same way as with gaining experience points, when unsynchronized dungeons, trials, raids are not counted. Whereas synchronized group activities, including roulette, will be counted. I think that this method is more suitable than a recommendation system.

Yeah sorry I missed some stuff, but thanks for the clarification ^^ But I agree on the experience point system, it would make sure you actually do the duties in a party not just unsync stuff for the sake of being a mentor. Even if it wouldn't fix the problem 100% I think it could harvest a lot of bad ones out from the system.

[Saefinn]

I feel like if we need people to earn the mentor status and represent people who are good mentors or are helpful then the commendation system is not fit for purpose. Comms are awarded for a whole plethora of and completely arbitrary reasons.

A "mentor recommendation" system could be better, people can recommend people for mentor status at the end of an instance. No rewards or carrots on a stick for people to pick somebody to recommend at the end, but if they found someone helpful they may choose to recommend them.

After a certain number of recommendations then you get awarded with the status.

It's not flawless, but I think it is more reliable than basing it around comms. I used to have the mentor status, but when I realised its meaningless, also the novice network has always been pretty toxic when I've been in there and instead just help people when they need it.

[Dogempire]

I'm honestly not really a fan of the commendation system being used as a metric because it's just a system that's exclusive for tanks and healers and dps only occasionally get commended, plus you ONLY get commendations when playing with randoms through the duty finder system, so if you have 100 clears of Hades, Titania, and Innocence, and 20+ clears of each savage raid you get literally nothing for it while the person with 300 clears of random normal mode content on a healer or tank will probably have picked up 200-300 commendations for it.

Obviously you don't need to do extreme or savage content to be a good mentor, but if I wanted someone to give me tanking advice and had to choose between someone who's been clearing savage content since Heavensward but rarely does roulettes because they don't need the rewards, or someone with 5000 commendations but hasn't touched a single extreme trial or savage raid, I'll go with the savage clearer.

Heck I would rather they went with a point system where for instance, leveling dungeons are 1 point, 50/60/70 dungeons are 2, level 80 content is 3 points, raids are worth 2 points, trials are worth 2 points, extreme trials are worth 4, savage clears are worth 10 points, ultimates are worth 30 points, etc and you just need x points instead of commendations.

[Jimmymagic]

I'm honestly not really a fan of the commendation system being used as a metric because it's just a system that's exclusive for tanks and healers and dps only occasionally get commended, plus you ONLY get commendations when playing with randoms through the duty finder system, so if you have 100 clears of Hades, Titania, and Innocence, and 20+ clears of each savage raid you get literally nothing for it while the person with 300 clears of random normal mode content on a healer or tank will probably have picked up 200-300 commendations for it.

Obviously you don't need to do extreme or savage content to be a good mentor, but if I wanted someone to give me tanking advice and had to choose between someone who's been clearing savage content since Heavensward but rarely does roulettes because they don't need the rewards, or someone with 5000 commendations but hasn't touched a single extreme trial or savage raid, I'll go with the savage clearer.

Heck I would rather they went with a point system where for instance, leveling dungeons are 1 point, 50/60/70 dungeons are 2, level 80 content is 3 points, raids are worth 2 points, trials are worth 2 points, extreme trials are worth 4, savage clears are worth 10 points, ultimates are worth 30 points, etc and you just need x points instead of commendations.

I like this idea its more relevant to experienced mentors vs. grind mentors.

[Illy_Peridot]

Heck I would rather they went with a point system where for instance, leveling dungeons are 1 point, 50/60/70 dungeons are 2, level 80 content is 3 points, raids are worth 2 points, trials are worth 2 points, extreme trials are worth 4, savage clears are worth 10 points, ultimates are worth 30 points, etc and you just need x points instead of commendations.

Wasn't one of the old requirements having cleared like 500 runs of instanced content? People got around that by just spamming story mode Ifrit. I can see this sort of thing happening again if they ever did something like this.

[Dogempire]

Wasn't one of the old requirements having cleared like 500 runs of instanced content? People got around that by just spamming story mode Ifrit. I can see this sort of thing happening again if they ever did something like this.

It beats the player commendation requirement considering it's a system that absentmindedly benefits healers and tanks and mostly ignores dps players, no matter how good they are.

Good tanking and healing is very easy to notice, dps only get noticed when things don't die fast enough or someone looks at their parser and sees one of the dps pulling ridiculous numbers, or in one-off situations where something happens like in Hades normal where everyone except 1 or 2 people gets hit by life in captivity and they have to watch helplessly as only 2 people are left to break them out.

Heck a lot of people have admitted on here that they just comm the healer/tank and for a dps to get a commendation they have to do something really noticeable like rezzing half the raid or having everyone die and then they finish off the boss themselves.

[SturmChurro]

Heck a lot of people have admitted on here that they just comm the healer/tank and for a dps to get a commendation they have to do something really noticeable like rezzing half the raid or having everyone die and then they finish off the boss themselves.

I can confirm when I play my red mage, save multiple people with heals, waste all my MP getting people up, etc. etc. I get no commendations. So just don't bother if commendations are your purpose. I get way more commendations sitting there half asleep spamming 1.