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    Quote Originally Posted by SoranRigel View Post
    There is a steady trend in this topic: those, who advocate for maintaining a mentor system, discount the experience of others, using dirty discussion techniques like “your evidence is not evidence” or calling opponents, who talk about their real negative experiences, a “crying wolves”.

    All this suggests one thing: the system of toxic "elite", named "mentors", should be immediately canceled. There are many who can help others, and a crown is not needed for this. Thanks to those experienced players who helped me more than once, explained and supported me. Many of them, being "mentors" by rank, are afraid to wear the crown, because it has become a symbol of toxicity. There are many reference resources, including this forum and youtube.

    We do not need people who assert their right to humiliate others for the sake of the crown and shut our mouths.
    Pointing out that your evidence is not evidence is not toxic or "dirty discussion techniques"....it is just pointing out the flaw in your reasoning for deleting the system over the few people who have negative experiences when it may be working as intended. Sure there are "bad" mentors, but that doesn't erase all the good mentors using the system to help new players in content and in the NN. It doesn't erase all the good help newbies have obtained via mentors/NN.

    When people say "I had a negative experience with the mentor system so it should be deleted."

    It is not "dirty discussion techniques" or "toxic" to ask: "How do you know the mentor system overall is more negative than positive and should be removed?"

    How do you know?

    One person's (or a few people's) experiences is not the whole picture. It's kind of like petitioning the government to delete an entire highway because you had a run in with a jerk who was drunk driving and crashed into you, when thousands of people use that same highway everyday with no issue. The other driver being drunk and crashing into you has nothing to do with the highway simply existing. They were drunk, and a jerk. You call the police and get them arrested.

    Sorta like how bad mentors don't have anything to do with the system existing. If a player is a jerk they will still be a jerk with or without the system in place. The only thing you can do is just call the GM and report them for harassment if that is what they are doing.

    It does suck people have negative experiences, but people have negative experiences in this game everyday with any player. Even you said it: you don't need a mentor crown to mentor....well you also don't need a mentor crown to be a jerk. Anyone who is a jerk or humiliating others will still do it even if the mentor system no longer exists. So in the end, what was accomplished by removing it?

    If changing the crown to a different icon would change anything then sure SE could try it. I just personally do not believe that a pixel image of a crown turns normally nice players into "toxic elite jerks". Like that is some serious Jekyll and Hyde that a tiny image of a crown suddenly turns a good person into an evil one whenever they wear it. It sounds crazy tbh.

    Anyone who thinks the crown makes them superior to others is delusional at best anyway and not worth your time, getting mentor status requires little effort and is not difficult to obtain.
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    Last edited by Miste; 02-16-2020 at 04:24 AM.

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