The problem with the mentor system

[RitsukoSonoda]

The problem with the mentor system is too many people either expect too much out of it or don't actually understand what it's actually for.

As for mentoring itself.

If someone is actually asking for input I have no problems providing it. I rarely provide it unsolicited in game simply because there are too many lazy bad players that have no desire to get better and I choose not to waste my time trying to help people that refuse to help themselves or have any desire to improve. If you don't give a damn about yourself they why should anyone else? And a number of those people are mouthy little brats that think they know everything when it's plainly obvious to anyone with functioning eyes they're completely clueless...

[Snowdove]

I don't see the difference other than that we wouldn't have moderation, which would result in the chat being overrun by bots, rendering it useless.

Just do what WoW does: Enough reports and the player gets silenced.


But FF14 desperately needs a chat channel where someone can ask questions. NN doesn't work because it's invite only (unless you're a returnee) and a lot of new players (I am one of them) never got invited to it.


A world chat is the best resource that I can see that would fill this need.

[RajNish]

These threads keep popping up because FF14 is a very popular MMO with a very large player base. This coupled with the fact that people in general are far more likely to complain about something versus giving a compliment. This is just human nature.

Now you yourself are inclined to generalize and see the bad, even in those messages that are constructive and where there are suggestions for improving the system. I'm not even talking about your systematic depreciation of all the above theses that speak about why people want to change this situation.

SE haven't tried to fix anything. First off, it's rare to not have the commendations required by the time you have the dungeon requirement, that change was pretty useless by itself. Furthermore, with this expansion we will have roughly triple (at least double) the amount of content than we had back when the old system was set up. At best the change was just readjusting to make sure mentors had an equivalent ratio of experience-to-content than before.

Numerical correlation makes me doubt this thesis. The number of recommendations required for the status of a mentor has increased to 1500 (5 times). This was probably an attempt to defend against players who farm recommendations only for the crown.

It, however, doesn't mean there's a systemic problem as people keep claiming.

And at no point have I discounted that the system could be improved.

And again, logically does not converge. You say that there is no problem, but do not deny that the system needs to be improved. But, as we know "if it ain't broke, don't fix it".

[EaMett]

And again, logically does not converge. You say that there is no problem, but do not deny that the system needs to be improved. But, as we know "if it ain't broke, don't fix it".

Anything can be improved. And again, I'm defending the stance that there's no systemic issue and calling out people who claim otherwise. I don't know what else to say, seemed pretty clear.

[RajNish]

I have never seen a mentor thinking themselves elite

From the search information of one of the mentors.



Now you have seen it.

Anything can be improved. And again, I'm defending the stance that there's no systemic issue and calling out people who claim otherwise. I don't know what else to say, seemed pretty clear.

You can deny the obvious as many times as you want, threads will appear. Moreover, they will appear if GMs are advised to write on the forum, as was in my case. And how would you improve the system, let me ask?

[hynaku]

The only main problem with the mentor system is to many complaining about it. All mentors is there for is to answer questions if ones need help with something.

[RajNish]

The only main problem with the mentor system is to many complaining about it. All mentors is there for is to answer questions if ones need help with something.

Complaints and reports do not arise from scratch.

[MagicPeanut]

I agree with you! I’ve always thought of the crown the same way you have. Changing it would be a great first step.

[RajNish]

Another wonderful person with a crown. Except that he pulled the boss before the whole group was in place and ready for battle.

[hasana]

The only main problem with the mentor system is to many complaining about it. All mentors is there for is to answer questions if ones need help with something.

And you can't even do that right.