Prepulling mobs as healer

[Reinha]

Pulling for the tank is kind of rude. I tend to run past slow tanks and jump in place just out of range of the next pack whilst dotting the first. That's usually enough to get them moving even if there is a language barrier.

[Alleo]

Yes we are in a group. Now tell me, what is the purpose for being in a group? And how does prepulling in given situation I described endanger that purpose in any way?

Because if you are with randoms you have no idea how good they are, how they will react. You might think that you have everything under control but you cant be certain. There are dungeons were its not dangerous but there are also some that will kill you. Killing the healer is a wipe. Pulling without the rest wanting to do it just raises the risk of it going horrible wrong thus wasting more time.

I am just not sure why you dont just queue up with others you know or as a tank? Heck go with trusts or the squadron. There you can do whatever you want.

[File2ish]

Some tanks just default to wall to wall pull, others will ask if big pulls are okay with the group, others will check the gear of the group before deciding a pace, and still others will go with singe pulls. Generally it is based on experience and comfort playing the role.

Healers come in as wide of a variety. Some healers are experts in their role and can handle wall to wall pulls with little effort, others prefer it as it feels more challenging to them, other can do it but may prefer smaller pulls, and less experienced/geared may fall short when facing large pulls.

Best thing to do, in my opinion, is at least check with them to see if they are willing to do big pulls an adapt to the situation. Cause as a healer I hate it when the tank does single pulls. At the same time though, when I tank (specifically in situations where I'm not well geared or the healer's gear is sub par) I hate it when the healer or a DPS runs off and pulls more than me. I get that it's more fun and efficient to just do big pulls, but not every group is the same when you do roulettes and pugs.

Cause everything will (generally) go fine unless you do big pulls and the DPS only single target mobs.

[Elladie]

OP, you are the embodiment of the reason I don't queue in DF anymore.

[Gemina]

Conclusion?: Reading this thread I see why the community is against this, even though I don't understand it, so I guess it served its purpose. I think I may not fit well in this community which in the end would be my fault and problem, not the community's.

....Or you can just tank.

Stop being such a defeatist. Your intentions are good, but the effort is unnecessary and unorthodox. You said it yourself in your OP, that you don't mind if the tank does small pulls. If that's the case, then why are you pulling more mobs?

Because the AiN is typically Tank for most duties, and during most times of the day, I encourage those who want to tank to actually queue up as one. If your intentions are about what's best for the community, then you need to look at the bigger picture and not just the instance you're in. If you're adamant against playing tank, or don't have one leveled, then just ride their heels. You'll get less gripes in the long run that way.

[Rita1989]

If your healer ask's you to pull more just do it plain and simple unless your brand new it's not difficult they have made tanking so much easier and at some point you should learn and if your healer is confident there is little reason to say no.

As a tank if a healer or dps pulled I just tank it and move on becoming a drama queen and letting the healer die doesn't help anyone to be honest and your hurting the rest of the party.

[Enla]

If your healer ask's you to pull more just do it plain and simple unless your brand new it's not difficult they have made tanking so much easier and at some point you should learn and if your healer is confident there is little reason to say no.

As a tank if a healer or dps pulled I just tank it and move on becoming a drama queen and letting the healer die doesn't help anyone to be honest and your hurting the rest of the party.

Confident doesn't automatically equate to good. I've had my fair share of fairly confident healers who asked for bigger pulls then couldn't keep the tank alive at all when their request was heeded, either through incompetence or trying to DPS when they really didn't have room for it.

As said before this should be a group choice. If the rest of the group talks it out and the majority agree to pull big then there's no harm and no foul. But if someone decides not to talk it out with the strangers they were tasked too cooperate with and instead decides to set the pace like many people are defending in this thread then they shouldn't be surprised if they receive some blow back. Most tanks will generally start increasing their pulls if asked and given wiggle room to get more comfortable once they know their healer isn't all talk and no show, but having a healer dump mobs on them when they aren't ready unsurprisingly is going to ruffle feathers for some people. Doubly so if the player starts coping an attitude like the OP was showing as it's pretty clear they /didn't/ ask.

[Gemina]

If your healer ask's you to pull more just do it plain and simple unless your brand new it's not difficult they have made tanking so much easier and at some point you should learn and if your healer is confident there is little reason to say no.

As a tank if a healer or dps pulled I just tank it and move on becoming a drama queen and letting the healer die doesn't help anyone to be honest and your hurting the rest of the party.

In most PUGs, healers and other ranged can't even be trusted to take a mob they have aggro on over to the tank, let alone do a strategic pull that doesn't have them waste that effort by having to use their ogcds on themselves. Of course, the best way to handle and diffuse a situation such as someone else pulling is simply to just do your job. They are still having to make you work harder though, even if its negligible. It's just isn't cool and poor etiquette. Players who want to pull just play tank. It's the role that is designed to do it.

[Sorimachi87]

Prepulling as a healer is a no-go for me. Intentionally or not. Even if tanks are sleeping with pulls, it is their duty to pull first.
I casually play this game and main whitemage. Played healers in other MMOs before. It just kind of stuck to me. Pulling -> Tank duty.

Other things are taking tank buster tethers for example. if i KNOW i can take it and the tank doesnt react, thats another thing. (just for the reference. i know topic is something else.. )

[Saefinn]

As healer, it's not always efficiency that is your biggest concern, but rather boredom. It already tends to get kind of boring to be spamming 1 dps all the time and getting everything done without GCD's (most content nowadays). It's even worse when you barely even have to use oGCD's. Maybe people should keep in mind and have respect for the fact that when there's no healing needs, healers have literally nothing else to do beside spamming 1 dps button. They don't have an engaging dps rotation like tanks and dps.

Speaking as one of the most vocal people on these forums about healer downtime who complains no end about how boring being a healer has gotten, I'm still not gonna be that guy. If the tank for whatever reason isn't fine with big pulls, particularly if there's a lack of experience, confidence or some kind of reason why they think they're gonna struggle, I'm not going to be an a**s and pull for them. As a healer it's not my job to be pulling for them. It's not their fault my job is not engaging anymore.

Just as when I am tanking if the healer lacks that confidence, skill, experience or has some reason they'd struggle I'm not going to be that guy. If they're cool, then I'll pull big.

There is a co-dependence between tanks and healers in a dungeon. Ultimately a middle ground should exist that facilitates the success of a run rather than hinder it. Because say that tank is not comfortable, it's more room for error and things going badly. For those talking about efficiency, dead players are less efficient than tanks who don't pull everything. Even then, why antagonise other players when they're not meeting your standards? It's no different to harassing a DPS because their DPS is lower.

This is the point about it being a roulette, you don't know who you're gonna get and how good or experienced they are will vary massively, so never go in a roulette expecting efficiency, because 95% of the time, they're not efficient, even on big pulls. When you're a healer, you're gonna get a high chance of being bored. I could get Satasha and not only spam 1 DPS move, but use only 1 heal move and find I'm with 2 Dragoons and that the advantage of a big pull is nullified by the fact only the tank can AoE and it's a weak AoE at that. You should know this before you queue. I know this before I queue as a healer, stick on some good music I can zone out to and just do it. Heck, I rarely heal because of it, forcing a cautious tank to tank more mobs won't change that.

If you don't like that risk, start a PF for your roulettes with an established standard. I've seen roulette groups form in the PF. And back in the day I used to see speed runs advertised in the PF and I used to join them, we'd plough through stuff very quickly. If random people in a roulette are too much for you, form your own party with your own standards.