The problem with the mentor system

[Jollyy5]

Personally I've had NN turned off for years now due to it just flooding my text box...

Sure, I suppose you could ask someone about stuff like: "Where is x" or "How does x mechanic work", but for any class related questions, I would advice looking stuff up online instead of asking people on NN. This is because the NN role is so easy to get that anyone can do it, so the chat tends to be filled with under performers who have no idea what they are talking about.

[PyurBlue]

Mentors chatting in the raid.

Mentor's search info.

Why does the 1% bad mentors matter more than the rest? The NN serves its purpose daily to allow experienced players to help novices.

I would advice looking stuff up online instead of asking people on NN. This is because the NN role is so easy to get that anyone can do it, so the chat tends to be filled with under performers who have no idea what they are talking about.

NN also has savage and ultimate raiders who are willing to teach a class up to very high levels. Some of them are pretty dedicated too. There advantages to learn directly from a mentor, just looking up info isn't always the best way to learn. They're also not mutually exclusive.

[RajNish]

Why does the 1% bad mentors matter more than the rest? The NN serves its purpose daily to allow experienced players to help novices.

This is not 1%. This is a trend. These are experienced players who play for several years. Some of them have their own FC.

I meet such people in dungeons and raids quite often and write reports. But reports and blacklisting do not guarantee:
1. That they will stop doing this.
2. That I will not meet them at roulette again.

[MomomiMomi]

This is not 1%. This is a trend. These are experienced players who play for several years. Some of them have their own FC.

I meet such people in dungeons and raids quite often and write reports. But reports and blacklisting do not guarantee:
1. That they will stop doing this.
2. That I will not meet them at roulette again.

And how many do you meet that aren't like this? I bet you have no idea, because it isn't noteworthy to get someone who isn't acting like this. Moreover, someone can be a mentor and not be displaying their crown.

[RajNish]

And how many do you meet that aren't like this? I bet you have no idea, because it isn't noteworthy to get someone who isn't acting like this. Moreover, someone can be a mentor and not be displaying their crown.

I already answered in another thread. No more than 10, probably less. People who do not do mechanics, standing in the AOE and pull before the tank. People kicking newbies because they didn't like something. People talking rude and insulting. Sadly, most of them were mentors.

Something about shiny crown, by the way. From Reddit.

[EaMett]

I already answered in another thread. No more than 10, probably less. People who do not do mechanics, standing in the AOE and pull before the tank. People kicking newbies because they didn't like something. People talking rude and insulting. Sadly, most of them were mentors.

In my years on this game I probably played with a good thousand mentors, only a handful of which were an issue. If you keep running into bad mentors, maybe mentors aren't the issue.
Also, so what if a few players farm the crown? It doesn't automatically make them bad mentors. Exacerbated mentors in alliance roulette doesn't mean anything, especially given how hard it is to tell tone over text.
Furthermore, random posts from people on reddit or the forums here also mean absolutely nothing, it's just survivor bias.

The mentor system is absolutely fine as is, NN is fine as is although it may be a little spammy; all questions get answered and mentors regularly go assist sprouts in dungeons etc. Fact is, several sprouts are in this very thread saying it worked great for them.

I wish people could just let this mentorship "failure" fallacy rest in peace.

[SieyaM]

In my years on this game I probably played with a good thousand mentors, only a handful of which were an issue. If you keep running into bad mentors, maybe mentors aren't the issue.
Also, so what if a few players farm the crown? It doesn't automatically make them bad mentors. Exacerbated mentors in alliance roulette doesn't mean anything, especially given how hard it is to tell tone over text.
Furthermore, random posts from people on reddit or the forums here also mean absolutely nothing, it's just survivor bias.

The mentor system is absolutely fine as is, NN is fine as is although it may be a little spammy; all questions get answered and mentors regularly go assist sprouts in dungeons etc. Fact is, several sprouts are in this very thread saying it worked great for them.

I wish people could just let this mentorship "failure" fallacy rest in peace.

So what makes you're experience with mentors more valuable or truthful to the situation than people who have had bad experiences with mentors? Both are just personal interactions with people on their data center, neither seems to have any more fact behind it than another.

[RajNish]

Moreover, someone can be a mentor and not be displaying their crown.

If some kind person wants to help people and helps them without a crown, please explain to me why we need a crown icon?

[MomomiMomi]

If some kind person wants to help people and helps them without a crown, please explain to me why we need a crown icon?

I never said we needed a crown icon. But the icon's purpose is primarily so that a new player can spot someone and know that they should be open to be asked questions.

But the point I was making is that you may be meeting mentors and not even know it. We can toggle the crown off.

[RajNish]

But the icon's purpose is primarily so that a new player can spot someone and know that they should be open to be asked questions.

People farm recommendations not to help others, but to have a shining icon. The system does not work as originally intended. Both sides suffer from this. But of course, many continue to deny the need for change.

Moreover, the aggression with which some opponents of change often respond to me shows their toxicity quite clearly and only confirms my words.