Limited Job #2: Beastmaster

[Reinha]

It's more akin to trying to solo old content or taking 8 PLDs and trying to do old raids synced, it's the same fight done with additional challenges and considerations that make it fresh.

That's what I was trying to say. BLU is not the only job which can go to old content or the only job capable of playing with non-standard comps. RDM is a full job with healing ability, solo ability, good dps and a higher level cap, which make it a great job for meme runs and challenges. Tank only runs have been done since ARR. Achievement rewards for doing raids differently have been requested before and they didn't need to be class specific.

It seems like BLU's only purpose is to introduce new ways of playing old content to people who lack the imagination to challenge themselves.

[ReiMakoto]

That's what I was trying to say. BLU is not the only job which can go to old content or the only job capable of playing with non-standard comps. RDM is a full job with healing ability, solo ability, good dps and a higher level cap, which make it a great job for meme runs and challenges. Tank only runs have been done since ARR. Achievement rewards for doing raids differently have been requested before and they didn't need to be class specific.

It seems like BLU's only purpose is to introduce new ways of playing old content to people who lack the imagination to challenge themselves.

There is potential for BLU to be able to do challenge runs where 8 tank runs could not, after heavenward encounter design changed in such a way to make 8 tank runs of savage and such content significantly more difficult/impossible (o3s for example physically cannot be done due to the game mechanic), and a lot of mechanics like 2nd forsaken / grand cross / virus require consistent pre positioning based on role. If BLU's mimicry makes these mechanics target like normal then BLU could do challenge runs where all tank runs dropped off, but thats just to do with mechanics rather than toolset. I still don't think thats a valuable enough niche though for blu because youre essentially just running content as an intended party at that point with just some wonky tactics and situationally overpowered skill.

[Ghald]

Do you maybe want to elaborate on what you don't like about BLU and why it would be so bad that BST is like it?

It's not that I don't like Blue Mage or Beast Master for that matter, it is the concept of Limited Job itself (at least the current iteration). I don't have a solution to it either on how to ballance Blue Mage to make it a regular job.

[Daemius]

There is potential for BLU to be able to do challenge runs where 8 tank runs could not, after heavenward encounter design changed in such a way to make 8 tank runs of savage and such content significantly more difficult/impossible (o3s for example physically cannot be done due to the game mechanic), and a lot of mechanics like 2nd forsaken / grand cross / virus require consistent pre positioning based on role. If BLU's mimicry makes these mechanics target like normal then BLU could do challenge runs where all tank runs dropped off, but thats just to do with mechanics rather than toolset. I still don't think thats a valuable enough niche though for blu because youre essentially just running content as an intended party at that point with just some wonky tactics and situationally overpowered skill.

Mimicry does not enforce role mechanics either. It's always random. Thus gavel is a wall for people in the blu community atm in A8S as your party needs to understand how to handle all the debuffs, not just a couple. I imagine this might change with the lvl 70 raids so that things like O3S can be done. Perhaps the game board with treat the mimicry buff as a role for once.

I don't see how this is so much more exciting then normal groups, in the end you are a Tank, DD or Healer as Bluemage, spaming one heal or one strong attack like any other class does, there is no mechanic you have to adjust like the arena, you just spam one or two attacks, considering most "mechanics" from the Bluemage not work anyway on most bosses still.

As has been said before, BLU tanking and BLU healing are way different from regular tanking. Even BLU dps is different if you properly use libra. BLU tank has on demand invuln essentially but you have to maintain your mp to do it. BLU tank also has nothing better to do than apply debuffs so it also fits the "pure debuff" class people have asked for in the past. BLU tank is usually responsible for applying libra, peculiar light, and bad breath at all times.

BLU healer has succor shield with no MP cost that they can just spam. Everyone has access to white wind, makes it easy to cheese mechanics like Ramuh's orbs as healing debuffs don't apply to white wind.

Yes you can meme-y runs with other comps but none of them do it like BLU does. You really just have to experience it yourself. No other comp can kill Mog King synced no-echo in approximately 45s-1 min to my knowledge >_> It's great.

[DynnDiablos]

I keep wondering if the slow updates are slowly turning blue into a full job. Like could it eventually just be integrated into regular content? I don't see why not.

[Daemius]

I keep wondering if the slow updates are slowly turning blue into a full job. Like could it eventually just be integrated into regular content? I don't see why not.

I think it has been said on record that it won't be integrated into the regular content at any point. The updates will continue but never to the point where you can tackle current content on BLU. I don't have a direct link to that though. I imagine we won't be getting anymore updates in the 5.x patch series (but it would be cool if we did) and the next time we can look forward to a BLU update is 6.1 with an increased cap to 70, new spells, new achievements that challenge people to try other content on BLU (Eureka maybe? I would like to try a 56 man BLU BA myself) and new Carnivale stuff.

Either way, BLU is fine as a limited job. It has its niche and turning it into a regular job kills what it does do well.

[Savagelf]

blu will remain a limited job you must adept to that as will beast master. I do want healer job I suggest medic with a dog kind like rinoa dog Angelo. it could be a Garelon job where healer ie the medic use medical and they dog to gave rare mat in battle to keep the party member alive it a new ideal but fun one

[Seraphor]

> No more Limited Jobs
> Not enough content
Pick one.

If we get new jobs added, that doesn't add more content, because you're still doing the same content, just with extra jobs to choose from.
Blue Mage has added additional content via Masked Carnivale, and a new way to run old content.

While I agree BLU is still not really a complete job, and it's content is lacking compared to 'real' jobs, it can only be improved by adding more limited jobs that share the same content. Expand Masked Carnivale to Beastmaster, add in a co-op mode so Blue Mages and Beastmasters can team up, incorporate Beastmasters into the Morbol Mount achievements, allowed them to run deep dungeons, etc.

This actually adds extra content that adding regular jobs doesn't, even if they don't have the same lifespan as regular jobs.
"But nobody plays BLU in endgame content" just like most people don't play most jobs in end game content, nobody plays every single job anyway.

If Beastmaster isn't a limited job, then it isn't a job, it's that simple. They have a hard enough time balancing THREE pets with SMN, there's no way we're getting Beastmaster as a regular job.

[Seraphor]

I think it has been said on record that it won't be integrated into the regular content at any point. The updates will continue but never to the point where you can tackle current content on BLU. I don't have a direct link to that though. I imagine we won't be getting anymore updates in the 5.x patch series (but it would be cool if we did) and the next time we can look forward to a BLU update is 6.1 with an increased cap to 70, new spells, new achievements that challenge people to try other content on BLU (Eureka maybe? I would like to try a 56 man BLU BA myself) and new Carnivale stuff.

Either way, BLU is fine as a limited job. It has its niche and turning it into a regular job kills what it does do well.

They said it wouldn't catch up to current content in 5.x, not that it would never catch up. They even said it might get two level updates in 5.x, meaning that we could get up to level 70 before 6.0 drops. Then 80 during 6.x (when the current is 90) with the potential to catch up late 6.x.

[MonsutaMan]

Will we have the ability to name the pets, or would that be unethical?