Limited Job #2: Beastmaster

[jon041065]

What would BLU look like as a full job? I'm sure that idea you have in your head can still be implemented under another name. CHM most likely won't be called CHM because ALC exists, should we condemn ALC as "not the CHM we asked for" because it's a crafter? No, we will get the CHM we want in the form of Salve maker. People want CHM because of the gameplay that it can bring to the game, BLU already emulates the iconic gameplay of BLU in the best way it can as a collection job.

BLU is not limited, it has dungeon running, primal farming, raiding, skill collecting, and solo content that it can do. They might not be shadowbringers raids or primals, but BLU has given new life to old content and made it challenging and interesting again. It's not perfect, but add in a BLU only roulette, PotD (which can't currently be done due to technical limitations, despite dev interest), PF QoL, and possibly the ability to do NG+, and BLU has just as much value, if not more than regular battle jobs.

To you it has more value than a regular job but to me it definitely doesn't as being strictly side content.

Just like you said that people want CHM for the gameplay it can bring, that's the same reason many of us were asking for blu with the intention of having it as our main. The analogy you're trying to make would make sense for us if blu was a full job but wasn't the role that we would have liked. I personally want a DoM tank and was hoping blu would be that. Yes, I would have been disappointed if it was another role but at least I'd have the option to play it in the content I want to instead of having the choice made for me.

You asked for what I think blu would look like as a full job. I'd really like to see something similar to this https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...concept_pitch/
Or if it was a melee support like the "leak" was saying, then it could have a melee blu spell for each element (fire/ice/thunder/water/wind/earth) and you make combos with these. You're not able to use the same one twice in a row so that leaves 150 combos if we are sticking to 3 part combos still. There's your job gauge and how you fire off other blu spells. Or just finish balancing what's already there since it's so close already as Rei and others have stated.

The chance they adjust blu to being anything more than it is now is low and even more so that they change or open up the roles it can play beyond caster dps so I'd still wanting at least a melee/caster hybrid that is as close to 50/50 as possible if not an actual caster tank. Something similar to what enh shaman used to be on WoW or assassin/shadow tanks were on TOR. Right now I just don't really connect with any of the combat jobs and that's the biggest reason someone like me will unsub.

[Daemius]

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If you can't find a main to play with these 17 other jobs that exist, perhaps this is not the game for you. Holding out another 2 years for maybe your dream job being implemented is wild.

[jon041065]

If you can't find a main to play with these 17 other jobs that exist, perhaps this is not the game for you. Holding out another 2 years for maybe your dream job being implemented is wild.

I didn't say I didn't have a main job that I focus on. Just I find current job concepts less compelling than the battle mage one like I said already. So I'm not asking for any specific job but a play style. I thought BLU was the job most likely to have that. It's no different than people requesting other jobs or themes for a job.

[ReiMakoto]

If you can't find a main to play with these 17 other jobs that exist, perhaps this is not the game for you. Holding out another 2 years for maybe your dream job being implemented is wild.

This is a pretty abrasive attitude and answer, for example I've been playing and maining tanks for years at this point GNB being my new passion, but I'm still holding out on an unlimited BLU as I would drop and main it in a heartbeat. This is because its my favourite job across the final fantasy franchise, I even have a BLU cosplay I bring around local events, I use it in every game its available in and I absolutely adore it. Similarly to the person youre replying too I just can't find a caster that enraptures me, so holding out hope for BLU is fine.

[Daemius]

This is a pretty abrasive attitude and answer, for example I've been playing and maining tanks for years at this point GNB being my new passion, but I'm still holding out on an unlimited BLU as I would drop and main it in a heartbeat. This is because its my favourite job across the final fantasy franchise, I even have a BLU cosplay I bring around local events, I use it in every game its available in and I absolutely adore it. Similarly to the person youre replying too I just can't find a caster that enraptures me, so holding out hope for BLU it fine.

You do you. I would think if you adored BLU as much as you say you'd give the 5.1 updates a shot. As I've mentioned before it's quite fun now. Tackling old raid content with a full part of BLUs is great. There's a lot of cool stuff you can do as BLU that you can't with a standard comp.

If BLU becomes homogenized to be in line with the rest of the combat jobs it just becomes another thing that people raise to level cap for their achievements and then just forget about for another expansion. As a limited job, it has its own community and content centered around the job that makes it healthier than it would exist as just another DoM.

[jon041065]

You do you. I would think if you adored BLU as much as you say you'd give the 5.1 updates a shot. As I've mentioned before it's quite fun now. Tackling old raid content with a full part of BLUs is great. There's a lot of cool stuff you can do as BLU that you can't with a standard comp.

If BLU becomes homogenized to be in line with the rest of the combat jobs it just becomes another thing that people raise to level cap for their achievements and then just forget about for another expansion. As a limited job, it has its own community and content centered around the job that makes it healthier than it would exist as just another DoM.

Most of us asking for there to be a full BLU are not also asking for what blu currently is to be removed. Just to have something added.

[ReiMakoto]

You do you. I would think if you adored BLU as much as you say you'd give the 5.1 updates a shot. As I've mentioned before it's quite fun now. Tackling old raid content with a full part of BLUs is great. There's a lot of cool stuff you can do as BLU that you can't with a standard comp.

If BLU becomes homogenized to be in line with the rest of the combat jobs it just becomes another thing that people raise to level cap for their achievements and then just forget about for another expansion. As a limited job, it has its own community and content centered around the job that makes it healthier than it would exist as just another DoM.

I refuse to give it a shot because I A) don't have time to do old content, and I don't particularly want to do it again either B) Don't want to do it on this version of blue, I've been part of the theorycraft stuff with limited blue for a while, and I just get annoyed when I try to play it, because I don't see the issue with having a seperate balanced version to the limited one, especially when playing dps mimicry blu is just playing a normalish dps most of the time. I don't particularly find "breaking" content with a Job fun, and the way that blu plays while doing it is pretty unispired to me (i.e. your basically a fun normal dps, that presses the "break" button every now an then, unless youre a tank then youre just miserable). Also just as a petty thing, I nearly give it a shot a lot, because as I've said I love blu, but A) I've seen how dead pf is for it when im playing, B) they used the number of players leveling it as sucess indicators last time, so im not giving that to them for something id level to 60 then almost never use.


I've never advocated for getting rid of the limited aspect either, just having a seperate "homogenised" version, if anything this would bring more players into the limited aspect as something to do. "Just another DoM" is fine by me if it has the BLU flavour.

(Here is my cosplay btw, don't like your no true scotsman fallacy calling me out on how much i like it)

[Daemius]

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Cool man. Like I said, you do you. If you're going to refuse to even dabble with 5.1 BLU then there's no reason to continue to discuss the issue.

I find BLU to be a lot like Eureka in that there's a whole lot of people that got a first impression of it and are sticking to that impression without giving the future QoL improvements or new content a shot.

In both cases I was pretty against BLU and Eureka and then came around eventually after I stopped trying to force that content into what my view of it should be and instead embraced it for what it was.

[jon041065]

I refuse to give it a shot because I A) don't have time to do old content, and I don't particularly want to do it again either B) Don't want to do it on this version of blue, I've been part of the theorycraft stuff with limited blue for a while, and I just get annoyed when I try to play it, because I don't see the issue with having a seperate balanced version to the limited one, especially when playing dps mimicry blu is just playing a normalish dps most of the time. I don't particularly find "breaking" content with a Job fun, and the way that blu plays while doing it is pretty unispired to me (i.e. your basically a fun normal dps, that presses the "break" button every now an then, unless youre a tank then youre just miserable). Also just as a petty thing, I nearly give it a shot a lot, because as I've said I love blu, but A) I've seen how dead pf is for it when im playing, B) they used the number of players leveling it as sucess indicators last time, so im not giving that to them for something id level to 60 then almost never use.


I've never advocated for getting rid of the limited aspect either, just having a seperate "homogenised" version, if anything this would bring more players into the limited aspect as something to do. "Just another DoM" is fine by me if it has the BLU flavour.

(Here is my cosplay btw, don't like your no true scotsman fallacy calling me out on how much i like it)

I did level blu and got all the spells in the long shot that they add a way to play blu in the full game but have refused to do more than that because also don't want to be counted as another doing the content beyond that.

[Lambdafish]

Most of us asking for there to be a full BLU are not also asking for what blu currently is to be removed. Just to have something added.

Why would they waste the resources making two versions of BLU when the reason they made "limited job" in the first place is because they could not design BLU in a satisfying way? That's a massive waste of resources when we could get other jobs that aren't in the game at all. Besides, if SE added two versions of BLU to appease some people who didn't get exactly what they wanted, should they also add in SAM as a tank and DRK as a DPS to appease those who really wanted those? I remember how heated and angry people were when SAM was announced as a DPS. People were asking for a Ronin tank class to make both sides happy, what you are asking for is no different.

This version of BLU isn't perfect, but if the last update shows anything it's that it's only going to get better and better