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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemius View Post
    If you can't find a main to play with these 17 other jobs that exist, perhaps this is not the game for you. Holding out another 2 years for maybe your dream job being implemented is wild.
    This is a pretty abrasive attitude and answer, for example I've been playing and maining tanks for years at this point GNB being my new passion, but I'm still holding out on an unlimited BLU as I would drop and main it in a heartbeat. This is because its my favourite job across the final fantasy franchise, I even have a BLU cosplay I bring around local events, I use it in every game its available in and I absolutely adore it. Similarly to the person youre replying too I just can't find a caster that enraptures me, so holding out hope for BLU is fine.
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    Savage Completion Rate ~5%+ of active players. Community: "Ugh stop catering to savage"
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReiMakoto View Post
    This is a pretty abrasive attitude and answer, for example I've been playing and maining tanks for years at this point GNB being my new passion, but I'm still holding out on an unlimited BLU as I would drop and main it in a heartbeat. This is because its my favourite job across the final fantasy franchise, I even have a BLU cosplay I bring around local events, I use it in every game its available in and I absolutely adore it. Similarly to the person youre replying too I just can't find a caster that enraptures me, so holding out hope for BLU it fine.
    You do you. I would think if you adored BLU as much as you say you'd give the 5.1 updates a shot. As I've mentioned before it's quite fun now. Tackling old raid content with a full part of BLUs is great. There's a lot of cool stuff you can do as BLU that you can't with a standard comp.

    If BLU becomes homogenized to be in line with the rest of the combat jobs it just becomes another thing that people raise to level cap for their achievements and then just forget about for another expansion. As a limited job, it has its own community and content centered around the job that makes it healthier than it would exist as just another DoM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemius View Post
    You do you. I would think if you adored BLU as much as you say you'd give the 5.1 updates a shot. As I've mentioned before it's quite fun now. Tackling old raid content with a full part of BLUs is great. There's a lot of cool stuff you can do as BLU that you can't with a standard comp.

    If BLU becomes homogenized to be in line with the rest of the combat jobs it just becomes another thing that people raise to level cap for their achievements and then just forget about for another expansion. As a limited job, it has its own community and content centered around the job that makes it healthier than it would exist as just another DoM.
    Most of us asking for there to be a full BLU are not also asking for what blu currently is to be removed. Just to have something added.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jon041065 View Post
    Most of us asking for there to be a full BLU are not also asking for what blu currently is to be removed. Just to have something added.
    Why would they waste the resources making two versions of BLU when the reason they made "limited job" in the first place is because they could not design BLU in a satisfying way? That's a massive waste of resources when we could get other jobs that aren't in the game at all. Besides, if SE added two versions of BLU to appease some people who didn't get exactly what they wanted, should they also add in SAM as a tank and DRK as a DPS to appease those who really wanted those? I remember how heated and angry people were when SAM was announced as a DPS. People were asking for a Ronin tank class to make both sides happy, what you are asking for is no different.

    This version of BLU isn't perfect, but if the last update shows anything it's that it's only going to get better and better
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemius View Post
    You do you. I would think if you adored BLU as much as you say you'd give the 5.1 updates a shot. As I've mentioned before it's quite fun now. Tackling old raid content with a full part of BLUs is great. There's a lot of cool stuff you can do as BLU that you can't with a standard comp.

    If BLU becomes homogenized to be in line with the rest of the combat jobs it just becomes another thing that people raise to level cap for their achievements and then just forget about for another expansion. As a limited job, it has its own community and content centered around the job that makes it healthier than it would exist as just another DoM.
    I refuse to give it a shot because I A) don't have time to do old content, and I don't particularly want to do it again either B) Don't want to do it on this version of blue, I've been part of the theorycraft stuff with limited blue for a while, and I just get annoyed when I try to play it, because I don't see the issue with having a seperate balanced version to the limited one, especially when playing dps mimicry blu is just playing a normalish dps most of the time. I don't particularly find "breaking" content with a Job fun, and the way that blu plays while doing it is pretty unispired to me (i.e. your basically a fun normal dps, that presses the "break" button every now an then, unless youre a tank then youre just miserable). Also just as a petty thing, I nearly give it a shot a lot, because as I've said I love blu, but A) I've seen how dead pf is for it when im playing, B) they used the number of players leveling it as sucess indicators last time, so im not giving that to them for something id level to 60 then almost never use.


    I've never advocated for getting rid of the limited aspect either, just having a seperate "homogenised" version, if anything this would bring more players into the limited aspect as something to do. "Just another DoM" is fine by me if it has the BLU flavour.

    (Here is my cosplay btw, don't like your no true scotsman fallacy calling me out on how much i like it)
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    Savage Completion Rate ~5%+ of active players. Community: "Ugh stop catering to savage"
    Ultimate Completion Rate ~1% of active players. Community: "Ugh stop catering to the hardcore raiders"
    Frontline/ Rival Wings/ Hidden Gorge Mount Aquisition ~0.05-1% of active players. Community: "Ugh PVP is so dead in this game, they should stop investing in it"
    Blue Mage Morbol Mount Aquisition ~0.01% of active players. Community: "WoW bLuE mAgE iS sO fUn AnD aCtIvE i CaN't WaIt FoR mOrE lImItEd JoBs"

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReiMakoto View Post
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    Cool man. Like I said, you do you. If you're going to refuse to even dabble with 5.1 BLU then there's no reason to continue to discuss the issue.

    I find BLU to be a lot like Eureka in that there's a whole lot of people that got a first impression of it and are sticking to that impression without giving the future QoL improvements or new content a shot.

    In both cases I was pretty against BLU and Eureka and then came around eventually after I stopped trying to force that content into what my view of it should be and instead embraced it for what it was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReiMakoto View Post
    I refuse to give it a shot because I A) don't have time to do old content, and I don't particularly want to do it again either B) Don't want to do it on this version of blue, I've been part of the theorycraft stuff with limited blue for a while, and I just get annoyed when I try to play it, because I don't see the issue with having a seperate balanced version to the limited one, especially when playing dps mimicry blu is just playing a normalish dps most of the time. I don't particularly find "breaking" content with a Job fun, and the way that blu plays while doing it is pretty unispired to me (i.e. your basically a fun normal dps, that presses the "break" button every now an then, unless youre a tank then youre just miserable). Also just as a petty thing, I nearly give it a shot a lot, because as I've said I love blu, but A) I've seen how dead pf is for it when im playing, B) they used the number of players leveling it as sucess indicators last time, so im not giving that to them for something id level to 60 then almost never use.


    I've never advocated for getting rid of the limited aspect either, just having a seperate "homogenised" version, if anything this would bring more players into the limited aspect as something to do. "Just another DoM" is fine by me if it has the BLU flavour.

    (Here is my cosplay btw, don't like your no true scotsman fallacy calling me out on how much i like it)
    I did level blu and got all the spells in the long shot that they add a way to play blu in the full game but have refused to do more than that because also don't want to be counted as another doing the content beyond that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemius View Post
    Tackling old raid content with a full part of BLUs is great. There's a lot of cool stuff you can do as BLU that you can't with a standard comp.
    Like what? Tackling old content is not something only BLU can do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reinha View Post
    Like what? Tackling old content is not something only BLU can do.
    But no job can tackle old content the way BLU can. With BLU old content feels fresh. Learning ARR a new way has given the content a new lease of life. Imagine doing a Sophia EX learning party in 2020, that's what BLU managed to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reinha View Post
    Like what? Tackling old content is not something only BLU can do.
    It's not just tackling old content. You have to view it through the lens of doing content specifically with BLU which is hard to do if you haven't actually tired it yourself. It's basically an all new fight. But too many people are caught up on the "limited" aspect of the job or what they wished it could be to give it a fair shake.
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