One dungeon per patch!?

[SieyaM]

I do feel like scrapping dungeons for adding ultimate among other content does set this bad precedent that they are willing to stop developing content that appeals to most players in favor of developing content that only a very few will even attempt. If they do develop something with a wide appeal then excellent. This game does not lack for diversity though, its just that players usually want a diversity of content within what they already do, so things like golden saucer or gathering or crafting don't fall in their realm of content. Dungeons will always be the first thing cut though for the pursuit of other content, because some very vocal players constantly talk about how much they despise them.

[MariaArvana]

Amazing so a crafting base content done in 3 days.
A limited job that no one care about after 1 week.
A revamp of crafting system which is not content.
A feature for those who have bought story skip potion or are so bored in game but can't stop playing for a while.
A new area to press & key 3 times in a row.

Quite a good trade, I'd say. Considering a new dungeon is interesting only once before it blends in with the other 5000 dungeons due to it being the exact same format every time.
I had more fun in that one week of BLU than any dungeon has ever given.

[Lambdafish]

Don't let up, buddy, everybody lies to themselves the way they want to.

Sure, but they are still making ultimates (probably an extra ultimate compared to last expansion), and producing content I want, while reducing the amount of content I don't want (dungeons), I don't see how I lose.

I do feel like scrapping dungeons for adding ultimate among other content does set this bad precedent that they are willing to stop developing content that appeals to most players in favor of developing content that only a very few will even attempt.

Ultimate is designed not to take up resources. We could have 3 dungeons per patch and still have ultimates, we wouldn't get anything like Eureka, BLU, ishgardian restoration, or any of the many other pieces of casual content that we have gotten though. Lack of development resources isn't the reason dungeons are being cut anyway, the huge amount of dungeons already implemented, and the interest to make new and different content is.

Also appeals to most players is a stretch, accessible to most players is more accurate

[Bright-Flower]

I do feel like scrapping dungeons for adding ultimate among other content does set this bad precedent that they are willing to stop developing content that appeals to most players in favor of developing content that only a very few will even attempt. If they do develop something with a wide appeal then excellent. This game does not lack for diversity though, its just that players usually want a diversity of content within what they already do, so things like golden saucer or gathering or crafting don't fall in their realm of content. Dungeons will always be the first thing cut though for the pursuit of other content, because some very vocal players constantly talk about how much they despise them.

Dungeons are not scrapped for ultimate. Or at the very least, not 'only' for ultimate.

[Reinha]

One dungeon is fine I guess, as long as they don't cut more. I wish they were a bit more difficult or had a separate extreme version.

[Wind-Krysvein]

I hope the content we get to make up for that one missing dungeon per patch is worth it. Just remember something, Yoshida: if there is no replacement content, people will have no reason to stay subscribed for months at a time. That's not good for business.

[Vidu]

I hope the content we get to make up for that one missing dungeon per patch is worth it. Just remember something, Yoshida: if there is no replacement content, people will have no reason to stay subscribed for months at a time. That's not good for business.

I mean... the content we got instead has been listed several times now - even if its not content that everyones going to like, its still content.

Considering Eureka and the Citadel, it seems like one of their focusses is to develop more content to obtain the relic-weapons.
In both ARR and HW those weapons have been something to keep people busy for months - by having them re-do content that was already their, mainly FATEs and dungeons (the later even for three different steps: Tomestone-grind, Light-grind and in ARR the horrible random drops...). Thats not very inspired content, but it sure kept us busy.
So instead of getting to farm 1.500 tomestones per relic-book, we get some original-relic content now - I'm fine with that, even if the content doesnt turn out to be my favorite part of the game! Anything is better than feeling the need to consider running MSQ-roulette again to earn those tomestones in an acceptable amount of time...

[Shurrikhan]

What kind of accounting is that?

Diadem is being revised, WT is still here as far as I know (haven't done it in a long time), and Aquapolis has its counterparts in the latter expansions.

As previously accounted...

Gains: Counterparts of Expeditionary Missions, counterparts of randomized side-content, and the only unique thing SB brought -- ultimates.
Costs: Only the dungeon per dungeon-granting patch.

Really? Wouldn't it be more likely that only the unique portion was bought solely with the time saved from including a dungeon fewer?

A mere single dungeon per patch did not afford us nearly all of our side-content, as the original accounting suggested.

[Noitems]

I'd rather them focus on one dungeon at a time as those are the ones I feel that really push design out.

Skalla, Swallow's Compass, and Ghimlyt were all really great due to their setpieces and bosses (Swallow's Compass especially). So to have them focus on just one really enjoyable dungeon instead of half assing two using existing assets (like how St Moc is just more brown).

It does suck because we are going to miss out on more music variety (which is a big reason I enjoyed the two dungeons at launch), but I'm willing to live with it if it means the dungeons are intricate. Considering how great this new one looks (Gpose heaven) I'm excited to see it.

Also a big factor I'm not seeing brought up is Gear. Both the dungeons in 4.2 and 4.4 reused older gear sets (Valerian and Filibuster) and people called them out hard on it (mainly for 4.4). I'd hope with this we instead get exclusively designed gear just like how Grand Cosmos has so we have a reason to keep running them past that point. This should also help with the cycle of gear constantly being reissued as new ways like the Ishgard Restoration allow us to use certain gear naturally for every job.

[linay]

As previously accounted...

Gains: Counterparts of Expeditionary Missions, counterparts of randomized side-content, and the only unique thing SB brought -- ultimates.
Costs: Only the dungeon per dungeon-granting patch.

Really? Wouldn't it be more likely that only the unique portion was bought solely with the time saved from including a dungeon fewer?

A mere single dungeon per patch did not afford us nearly all of our side-content, as the original accounting suggested.

Ok, so aside from Diadem, which can arguably be covered by one Eureka zone (plus a minor update with FC subs), the rest in your list are not costs at all. WT is about doing existing contents, and it still exists, with added content and reward, and Aquapolis has newer counterparts.

The only real loss we got in Stormblood was the dungeon every other patch, so while it may not account for every new thing we got in SB (PVP revamp and new mode and BLU content was not mentioned in the original post you responded to), that is the comparison to be made, as not many people seem to care about Diadem, which is being updated again this expansion.