One dungeon per patch!?

[Mansion]

It would be different if the dungeons in this game were engaging—but they really aren’t. They’re all the same with a different coat of paint: two pulls > boss > two pulls > boss > two pulls > final boss. Very little variance from that pattern. There’s nothing challenging about them. There’s nothing engaging about them. So I don’t see this as a loss. Maybe they can actually pool more resources into the single dungeon we’re getting and make it not mind-numbing. But I’m probably being too optimistic.

And that kind of applies to Trials, 24man raids, and normal mode raids to a certain degree too. Sure a few mechanics change here and there, but it's still following the same principles over and over. So if having one less dungeon allows the devs to enhance the rest of the content (normal mode or savage) I'd be happy. But I'm perhaps being too optimistic too.

[linay]

Let's not pretend dungeons alone bought us all that; any fair accounting would demand we also throw Diadem, Diadem Revamped, Wonderous Tails, and perhaps Aquapolis into the costs section.

What kind of accounting is that?

Diadem is being revised, WT is still here as far as I know (haven't done it in a long time), and Aquapolis has its counterparts in the latter expansions.

[Vidu]

"just drop dungeons"

.....excuse me? You realize that is where they're telling a lot of the story? This is still a Final Fantasy game. It's still a STORY game. If you don't like them... I'm sorry? This game isn't just for you, it's for everyone. So they're spacing things out and have a lot more to upkeep and work on. Oh well. They have stuff they're working on. Personally, I'm fine with it.

While dropping dungeons alltogether is certainly a bit extreme and at least I always liked my story-dungeon, you cant deny that during our 3-dungeon-time in ARR only the mainstory-dungeon actually told, well a story, each patch. There are noticeable exceptions, like Tam Tara and the follow up on Edda, but most other HMs and even the new dungeons werent huge storytellers - "Oh, the dragons are back... better go to Stone Vigil again!"

[Omymy]

They were being sarcastic, I’m fairly sure...



Hard disagree. I’d rather have no content than content that puts me to sleep. “Good night”, indeed.

It would be different if the dungeons in this game were engaging—but they really aren’t. They’re all the same with a different coat of paint: two pulls > boss > two pulls > boss > two pulls > final boss. Very little variance from that pattern. There’s nothing challenging about them. There’s nothing engaging about them. So I don’t see this as a loss. Maybe they can actually pool more resources into the single dungeon we’re getting and make it not mind-numbing. But I’m probably being too optimistic.

Last time i said something like that about dungeons people sent me to play WoW soooo... I dont know.

I would rather prefer hard dungeons than a super hard battle who the vast mayority cant finish.

[HyoMinPark]

Last time i said something like that about dungeons people sent me to play WoW soooo... I dont know.

I would rather prefer hard dungeons than a super hard battle who the vast mayority cant finish.

Or you could ask for both? And maybe this change will grant both. Who knows. It seems doubtful what with the overall theme of Shadowbringers being to lower skill ceilings/close skill gaps, but one can dream.

I disagree with removing Ultimates simply because they’re niche. If that’s the argument, might as well remove all niche content (hello, PvP). But this is a theme-park MMO. Having both is not a huge thing to ask for—it’s just up to the developers to make dungeons more engaging for the playerbase at that point.

I also think anyone can tackle and clear an Ultimate if they put in the time and effort into it. Most opt not to because it takes a lot of time to 1. Obtain the skill needed for the content, and 2. Prog and clear the content. Some people don’t have the time to dedicate to it because of life. Others simply don’t want to because it can be really exhausting progging an Ultimate fight. Others still are content with sitting back and watching Twitch streams. Honestly, I don’t think it’s just the raiders that tackle it that enjoy the content: all three Ultimates netted substantial views on Twitch just from people watching the races. And I have seen several people who say that they just enjoyed watching it.

[Fhaerron]

I'm still waiting to see what benefit there was in deleting the second dungeon in every other patch....

They've added a new difficulty mode for Trials. That's why they scrapped 1 dungeon from the patches so they have more time to invest in the trial development.

[HyoMinPark]

They've added a new difficulty mode for Trials. That's why they scrapped 1 dungeon from the patches so they have more time to invest in the trial development.

I’m curious, where was this said? Because I haven’t heard about it.

[tdb]

I also think anyone can tackle and clear an Ultimate if they put in the time and effort into it. Most opt not to because it takes a lot of time to 1. Obtain the skill needed for the content, and 2. Prog and clear the content. Some people don’t have the time to dedicate to it because of life. Others simply don’t want to because it can be really exhausting progging an Ultimate fight. Others still are content with sitting back and watching Twitch streams. Honestly, I don’t think it’s just the raiders that tackle it that enjoy the content: all three Ultimates netted substantial views on Twitch just from people watching the races. And I have seen several people who say that they just enjoyed watching it.

I'd love to have on-demand solo content on the difficulty level of savages or even ultimates. I have difficulty committing to a regular raiding schedule of a static progress group. Party finder can sometimes result in good groups, but it may also result in elitist jerks or entitled underperformers. And sometimes parties take hours to fill up.

[Omymy]

Or you could ask for both? And maybe this change will grant both. Who knows. It seems doubtful what with the overall theme of Shadowbringers being to lower skill ceilings/close skill gaps, but one can dream.

I disagree with removing Ultimates simply because they’re niche. If that’s the argument, might as well remove all niche content (hello, PvP). But this is a theme-park MMO. Having both is not a huge thing to ask for—it’s just up to the developers to make dungeons more engaging for the playerbase at that point.

I also think anyone can tackle and clear an Ultimate if they put in the time and effort into it. Most opt not to because it takes a lot of time to 1. Obtain the skill needed for the content, and 2. Prog and clear the content. Some people don’t have the time to dedicate to it because of life. Others simply don’t want to because it can be really exhausting progging an Ultimate fight. Others still are content with sitting back and watching Twitch streams. Honestly, I don’t think it’s just the raiders that tackle it that enjoy the content: all three Ultimates netted substantial views on Twitch just from people watching the races. And I have seen several people who say that they just enjoyed watching it.

At no point did I say that they should eliminate Ultimate. First, because any MMO should have a level escalation from casual to hardcore.

Another very different issue is that I think it's good and healthy for the game that the most remarkable content for a couple of months is precisely that which hardly anyone will try.

FFXIV is a casual game and that's what makes it grow. Other MMOs tried to please the hardcore community and died, as is the case with Wildstar.

And as far as everyone can do Ultimate... no. Just like the mythic one in WoW, people either don't have the skill, the time, or the interest to see everything you have to invest in order to have ilvl and a shiny weapon to show in Limsa.

[Theodric]

My main desire for the game moving forward is an update to the character customisation system, particularly for male characters. More content beyond that would be neat, of course, but I'm hoping the development team have recognised that Blizzard are updating their dated character models and bringing them up to the same level as the newer character models.