Entitled people kick from FC harassing after??

[SerLuke]

And here we have a thread that would benefit from NOT having posting limits. What's your point with this off-topic post?

Its not off topic, its good evidence for the need for post limits.

A lot surely hate me, but I never said any of the things he said we said, so I mustn't have been counted.

Its okay, we can all be hated forum friends together

[AngelCheese77]

I hope I am not included in your "popular forum people" (since you did quote me), I am pretty sure most people hate me.

You are right! The OP has nothing to justify! They shouldn't have ever posted this thread in the first place. This thread has no purpose, guild drama should stay in-guild, or brought to a GM's attention when needed. If the OP didn't want discussion, or differing opinions, they should have never posted this.

Yakoo is being dogpiled by people denigrating her. When she tries to defend herself, she gets dogpiled some more.

Worse, the people I see doing the dogpiling are "popular forum people", so they're going to be defended by each other. I have watched, throughout this thread, Yakoo's statements be twisted, Yakoo called a tyrant, a bad FC leader, that her FC is trash and bad, and numerous other things. And as the thread has gone on, there has been more and more dogpiling. Frankly, it's rather shameful of the people dogpiling her. I've had people to do that to me in the past, and I know how easily the dogpile can twist what you're saying to make you look bad. Which is exactly what several people in this thread have done. You should be ashamed of yourselves, but I know you won't be.

@Yakoo: You have nothing to justify to these people. They've twisted what you've said into some delusional scenario that paints you as the bad guy. You're not the bad guy.

Absolutely, Mrs. Shay.

I did not knew the term "dogpiling", thanks for that so I can add this to my dictionary. It happens to Doozer in the other thread too when there are even people just came in to bash him again - and then wonder why he gives up and blocks users to go on even further.
This is just another internet phenomena that is destroying any healthy discussion culture: S...tstorms. The problem, just like Doozer - who's been ridiculed a lot and even put into a signature as some form of internet pillory - is that if they defend their views, people do not add to the discussion but outright want to force their opinion on top of the OP and get very irritating when these people defend their justified opinions and views on a matter.

Or in short: Mrs. Yakoo is quasi-required to always defend herself, else there is stuff posted in that context that is made up by others. If she keeps quiet, the gossip keeps being posted and the OP is "defeated", giving the opposing fractions the implications of being right.

That's why I do my answers in letter-style. I only go back to something if it's really important or threads opened by myself. It's a micdrop style of posts to stop this endless loop. Use my input to broaden your horizon, but I'd never be mad if you don't agree either.

Also, some of the users here can be filed under "Agent Provocateur", and the only thing they want is that you have a miserable time until you slip and get banned. Don't let this happen. Stand your ground once or twice, then leave the fray. Nothing is worse than coming back over and over, it makes your arguments look weaker and the bashing starts all over.

Your decisions were right, you are the leader, and all the other stuff is not relevant to non-members.
Sincerely and wishing you a good time:

Then here's my piece of advice ...

If you don't want to hear/see what other people have to say/write, don't post on a public forum. I don't know how many times this needs to be said.

I love how so many are being passive-agressive on calling "bad people" out because they have a differing opinion. That and people who nit pick what people say in their posts, and ONLY focus on that instead of the thoughts and opinions as a whole (and that happens in alot of topics). If you have a problem on what someone said, quote it and ask. I have seen only one poster who wrote material that included name calling on the border of harassment, and swearing. Every other post has been civil to the discussion (though some words might have been a wrong choice or description).

[Saefinn]

I mean the OP accepted this was a good place to end it as it was going in circles. The thread was going down the category page quite nicely. I'm not sure if it needed be pushed further again?

[CazzT]

Then here's my piece of advice ...

If you don't want to hear/see what other people have to say/write, don't post on a public forum. I don't know how many times this needs to be said.

It has nothing to do with wanting to hear it or not. Why even throw that red herring in at all?

I love how so many are being passive-agressive on calling "bad people" out because they have a differing opinion. That and people who nit pick what people say in their posts, and ONLY focus on that instead of the thoughts and opinions as a whole (and that happens in alot of topics).

Projection.

I have seen only one poster who wrote material that included name calling on the border of harassment, and swearing. Every other post has been civil to the discussion (though some words might have been a wrong choice or description).

You've been among the most "passive-aggressive" with your insults to the OP and anyone disagreeing with you in this thread. And make no mistake, you have been insulting throughout the thread. You've also been part of the dogpile.

[AngelCheese77]

It has nothing to do with wanting to hear it or not. Why even throw that red herring in at all?

Read again what the OP has posted. They came here to tell about what had happened to them to see if it happened to other people. In doing so, it was placed in a public forum for those who both agree and disagree with them to post. How you see that as a red herring? I'm not sure ...

Projection.

What? People quote my posts and others and focus on one line of the post, and not the whole of it. No idea what you are talking about.

You've been among the most "passive-aggressive" with your insults to the OP and anyone disagreeing with you in this thread. And make no mistake, you have been insulting throughout the thread. You've also been part of the dogpile.

I give an opinion on how I felt the OP handled the situation was wrong, also while giving examples in things I went through, and apparently I was passive agressive. I already stated some of my wording and expressions might have not fit well, but nah ... don't read that, just go around it. Why not go back and find that poster who told people to "grow the f**k up* and threw harassing names at posters because they had a differing opinion and didn't automatically agree with what was said. That is passive-aggressiveness. No where have I told the OP to leave their FC, or that they are a "bad leader". I have stated that I think they should not have gone back on their decision(though I never stated that changing one's mind was bad, only that there should have been an explination to those kicked why) and that those kicked had a valid reason to be upset (though I do not agree in any way what they did was right).

Also, the OP didn't put a lot of information in the first post, giving it later though the topic as they replied to people. Information that could have helped them in the beginning to paint a particular "picture" on what happened and about the other party. So far those who disagree with me have just taken what I wrote and wrote it back without giving any valid points in return, or picked out one line from a whole paraghaph and focused on it.

As I have said before, I apologize if some of my words were wrong (I have difficulty of always getting across what I mean) but I don't apologize on the point I was trying to make. I hope, once again, the OPs FC does not go through this again, that this is a learning experience, and that they continue enjoying the game.

[CazzT]

Read again what the OP has posted. They came here to tell about what had happened to them to see if it happened to other people. In doing so, it was placed in a public forum for those who both agree and disagree with them to post. How you see that as a red herring? I'm not sure ...

Your exact words were "If you don't want to hear/see what other people have to say/write, don't post on a public forum". How is it not a red herring? They posted with the intent of getting opinions. And now you're trying to make some off the wall claim that didn't want others' opinions.

What? People quote my posts and others and focus on one line of the post, and not the whole of it. No idea what you are talking about.

You accused others of being passive aggressive while you've been doing that with every post.

I give an opinion on how I felt the OP handled the situation was wrong, also while giving examples in things I went through, and apparently I was passive agressive. I already stated some of my wording and expressions might have not fit well, but nah ... don't read that, just go around it.

You mean the same way you've been going around what everyone has said to you? Your tone has been denigrating and insulting and condescending in every post, including your reply to me.

Why not go back and find that poster who told people to "grow the f**k up* and threw harassing names at posters because they had a differing opinion and didn't automatically agree with what was said.

You mean the OP after she was being dogpiled? Gee, I can't possibly imagine why someone would be getting aggravated when they're being dogpiled....

No where have I told the OP to leave their FC, or that they are a "bad leader".

You have implied multiple times that's she's a bad leader.

I have no desire to continue conversation with you. You ride the line and then play the victim when someone calls you out on your BS. Just like you're doing now. I'm pointing out that people, including yourself, are dogpiling Yakoo. I even said that the people doing it wouldn't be ashamed of their actions. Because that's how people who dogpile behave.

You are in the wrong. Period.

[monk-dps]

I looked it up, and the OP actually is his FC leader.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1UtRnGn5hc

lol wow. busted as they say in the GTA lives.

[Barraind]

Is there anything in this thread that isnt 19 pages of


FCDRAMA LOLOLOL

People being people

HOW DARE YOU SAY BAD THINGS ABOUT ME/HER/THAT FC WHO POSTED THEIR DRAMA

Otters


Cause I figured after 19 pages there would be, but...

[AngelCheese77]

Your exact words were "If you don't want to hear/see what other people have to say/write, don't post on a public forum". How is it not a red herring? They posted with the intent of getting opinions. And now you're trying to make some off the wall claim that didn't want others' opinions.

You accused others of being passive aggressive while you've been doing that with every post.

You mean the same way you've been going around what everyone has said to you? Your tone has been denigrating and insulting and condescending in every post, including your reply to me.


You mean the OP after she was being dogpiled? Gee, I can't possibly imagine why someone would be getting aggravated when they're being dogpiled....

You have implied multiple times that's she's a bad leader.

I have no desire to continue conversation with you. You ride the line and then play the victim when someone calls you out on your BS. Just like you're doing now. I'm pointing out that people, including yourself, are dogpiling Yakoo. I even said that the people doing it wouldn't be ashamed of their actions. Because that's how people who dogpile behave.

You are in the wrong. Period.

I wrote what I did about not wanting other's opinions, is after the OP got some, they got upset because many were not what she wanted and started to yell at them for not agreeing. So yes, I stand by that things like FC drama and the like should not have been placed on a public forum. It's a good lesson to learn that one needs to give replies in a civil manner, and that bringing emotions in will not work.

We agree to disagree. Because you don't see the point I am making as many others who are focued on someone who doesn't automatically agree with what the OP did. Shouting and calling those who see things differenty harassing names, just as you are doing now to me. As for your comment on me being degrading to others, perhaps you should step back and read what some have wrote to me. I have replied in a manner that I felt was stating what I needed to without stooping to name calling. No where do I see I have been degrading or insulting. Can you give me examples? I'd be happy to explain and apologize to those who come forward saying I insulted and degraded them in some way.

As for not responding, I've responded to every post sent to me. And why should I be ashamed of what I believe in? The OP isn't and neither am I. I stand by my thoughts. All I see you doing is berating me for having different thoughts than you or others. I mean, I've wished the OP's FC well and that I hope it doesn't happen again, but nope, you like many others just overlook that and nit pick on the same things over and over.

That isn't how a discussion works. See? It works both ways.

I've already reported this topic to be closed.

[Saefinn]

What an otter disgrace this has become.


I'll see myself out.