Entitled people kick from FC harassing after??

[Yakoo]

You're literally pointing fingers at me for the wrong reasons you deemed fit towards your own opinion, because to you its wrong and act as if you're all such perfect leaders. I could say the same thing with people that say "You gave them a warning, but you didn't stick with it". Has it never come to your attention, like seriously EVER, in the slightest that if I left it as it was and don't make decisions quickly or change them for the matter, then could it turn into something BIGGER, like have you actually given that a thought for a minute or did that totally slip your mind?? Because you were to busy trying to argue with me and other people who has similar experiences or think the same as me?? That is the questions you are failing to ask yourselves, but some are just playing the nit and pick game and pointing fingers at me and others, just for a change in a decision, comparing it to Jobs even. Some people also have to realise that changes can be made at any given time, if its NECESSARY to do so whether it is in a Job or Hobby. You make yourselves sound as if you've never made changes in mind before. Sometimes sticking to your word isn't enough as a leader, you must also make changes for what you think is right and correct the decision. This is why I see such a great divide in experience and opinions, as a leader you should always strive to keep your word, this is true... but what if the word/decision made wasn't enough?? This is something to think about.

[SenorPatty]

You're literally pointing fingers at me for the wrong reasons you deemed fit towards your own opinion, because to you its wrong and act as if you're all such perfect leaders. I could say the same thing with people that say "You gave them a warning, but you didn't stick with it". Has it never come to your attention, like seriously EVER, in the slightest that if I left it as it was and don't make decisions quickly or change them for the matter, then could it turn into something BIGGER, like have you actually given that a thought for a minute or did that totally slip your mind?? Because you were to busy trying to argue with me and other people who has similar experiences or think the same as me?? That is the questions you are failing to ask yourselves, but some are just playing the nit and pick game and pointing fingers at me and others, just for a change in a decision, comparing it to Jobs even. Some people also have to realise that changes can be made at any given time, if its NECESSARY to do so whether it is in a Job or Hobby. You make yourselves sound as if you've never made changes in mind before. Sometimes sticking to your word isn't enough as a leader, you must also make changes for what you think is right and correct the decision. This is why I see such a great divide in experience and opinions, as a leader you should always strive to keep your word, this is true... but what if the word/decision made wasn't enough?? This is something to think about.

The only thing I hope people thought about after reading the first post and then this one is either confirming or realizing that FC drama on the forums are never a good idea, especially IF they drama has been "dealt" with.


Different story if someone asking for advice on how to handle a situation before they do anything.

[AngelCheese77]

that was kinda my point to turn your own words against you and to make you reflect on it.
your words and points weren't exactly on the logic end but rather on the insulting end which even if it was your purpose it was the wrong way to make your point or making people understand it at least.

i already had a conversation about the points you said during your first post with Ferwyn but the problem was his first explanation which painted an over exaggerated picture of his views when that his actual point really was ,he(the OP) didn't acted right when after he warned them and closed the case , he kicked them from the FC , he either needed to kicked them right then or stayed with the warning until another time they do something else bad.
which again i said is a legit point to make but wasn't properly explained right and while we see things differently it is still a point to consider.

also while you dont agree with us that saying "OMG U Died U SUxxORz" is not grounds for dismissal or being called toxic ,it could have been phrased and even explained better especially since you start the post saying "Goodness. People complain about everything and anything in a game." which is how troll posts usually starts and making it clear your attacking and insulting in it. so that post kinda painted you a villain even if you didn't mean it like that.

Hm, wasn't my intent. Seems you read more into it that I meant. None of my posts were meant to be trollish in any regard.

And I am not sure how what I wrote was anyway insulting? I was asking questions and seeing things from a different point of view, while another poster was using name calling and cursing, yet they weren't called out. Funny how that works, and I'm villianized for having a different point of view on all this. LOL

I have no idea how to make my point anymore clearer or different. /shrug Saying the same thing back to a person in a different order isn't a conversation or discussion in anyway.

[AngelCheese77]

You're literally pointing fingers at me for the wrong reasons you deemed fit towards your own opinion, because to you its wrong and act as if you're all such perfect leaders. I could say the same thing with people that say "You gave them a warning, but you didn't stick with it". Has it never come to your attention, like seriously EVER, in the slightest that if I left it as it was and don't make decisions quickly or change them for the matter, then could it turn into something BIGGER, like have you actually given that a thought for a minute or did that totally slip your mind?? Because you were to busy trying to argue with me and other people who has similar experiences or think the same as me?? That is the questions you are failing to ask yourselves, but some are just playing the nit and pick game and pointing fingers at me and others, just for a change in a decision, comparing it to Jobs even. Some people also have to realise that changes can be made at any given time, if its NECESSARY to do so whether it is in a Job or Hobby. You make yourselves sound as if you've never made changes in mind before. Sometimes sticking to your word isn't enough as a leader, you must also make changes for what you think is right and correct the decision. This is why I see such a great divide in experience and opinions, as a leader you should always strive to keep your word, this is true... but what if the word/decision made wasn't enough?? This is something to think about.

I think it's time to just see that you came here to do what you wanted to do, see people have differing opinions, and walk awy from this. Might be affecting you a bit more than you intended.

[Hugowulf]

The only thing I hope people thought about after reading the first post and then this one is either confirming or realizing that FC drama on the forums are never a good idea, especially IF they drama has been "dealt" with.


Different story if someone asking for advice on how to handle a situation before they do anything.

That’s how I feel about it after reading everything.

[Naritori]

I am from Tonberry and run an FC for sometime now (8 months)

Later, they came back with people who I kicked from the FC in the past

Call me naive, but I've been in my FC since Heavensward and we've never had to kick anyone - the only rule we have is one of basic respect. The fact there are multiple kicks in only 8 months is a big yikes from me.
A lot of this thread seems to be very specific to the aftermath of this one kick, but the fact they came back, and with additional people who have been kicked, gives the impression to me that people getting kicked isn't too infrequent? I also guess that they took the effort to do this afterwards that there was a large amount of frustration and resentment towards the FC and their leader - to me if that is happening that gives off some red flags on how the FC is being run? I'd be interested to see what the rules are in this environment.

As for the incident in question: I agree with the result, not with the execution. The fact it was being spoken about after a warning was given is an issue to me, as well as the fact there is an announcement to the FC before being kicked. A lot of it sounds like displays of power to me being flaunted in public, rather than just being dealt with and taken care of. Same with the fact that this thread even exists, it doesn't serve any purpose rather than calling them out and prolonging the drama. If it was asking for advice it would be different, but this was just a rant.

[Yakoo]

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No, There are many people in the FC, its just the people who we get sometimes can be bad without knowing until they show their true colors. Here is a back story, there were 8 people in the past who were in another server that caused a lot issues on in another FC in that server (I didn't know at this time), that came into Tonberry through a member who wanted to invite them into the FC. They were very cliquey, they made some very obnoxious jokes, when I would be away or would just be plain disrespectful within the FC. This made some people leave, but this was when I was offline. Some people told me that while I was offline they were causing trouble, so I gave them all a warning before. Then they did it again, but this time I could see it showing so I removed them, and they made a scene of it. Only after I kicked them a few days later, someone contacted me and told me how they behaved over there, and this was the time I only knew, since this person and a few others told me everything. You really can't place a red flag on my FC, without any foresight. And because I am in Tonberry in a JP server, there are a lot of Japanese FC's here and the culture is different.

The change of mind can come anytime, whether I see it fit if its "NECESSARY to do so". And again no, for me to announce that I need to remove some members for breaking rules doesn't mean I am displaying or abusing powers. If a person does something bad, I will put an announcement, not targeting or saying what they did either, but that I will be removing them. You say "calling them out". You don't know what my intent was, you just assume that I did. It's simply to share my experience and spread awareness and say to people "If you're going to be as*sholes then dont join FC's and cause trouble". But because of your lack of any foresight, you can keep saying that.

Edit: Just because you don't kick people doesn't mean that I need to as well, so don't shove your opinion down my throat, All FC's are different. Resentment because they hold grudges, I already forgot about them entirely, only until they came back to harass us, you fail to see the bigger picture.

[PrinceZuko]

Call me naive, but I've been in my FC since Heavensward and we've never had to kick anyone - the only rule we have is one of basic respect. The fact there are multiple kicks in only 8 months is a big yikes from me.
A lot of this thread seems to be very specific to the aftermath of this one kick, but the fact they came back, and with additional people who have been kicked, gives the impression to me that people getting kicked isn't too infrequent? I also guess that they took the effort to do this afterwards that there was a large amount of frustration and resentment towards the FC and their leader - to me if that is happening that gives off some red flags on how the FC is being run? I'd be interested to see what the rules are in this environment.

As for the incident in question: I agree with the result, not with the execution. The fact it was being spoken about after a warning was given is an issue to me, as well as the fact there is an announcement to the FC before being kicked. A lot of it sounds like displays of power to me being flaunted in public, rather than just being dealt with and taken care of. Same with the fact that this thread even exists, it doesn't serve any purpose rather than calling them out and prolonging the drama. If it was asking for advice it would be different, but this was just a rant.

This thread is dragging on longer than it's supposed to be. I'm not sure if you've read the whole thread but if we go by what OP has said about the ones who were kicked badmouthing him on a live medium, then that should clearly be a violation of so-called basic respect. OP has also mentioned about the 8 "cliquey" players who he decided to kick in turn for bad behaviour, I'm guessing these are the ones who wanted to get back to OP and his FC. To me that paints a bad and childish image of these people. Tbh I've never been an FC leader but it doesn't take a lot to know that managing one is hard. I don't really think it's fair to judge an FC leader's temperament and decision-making when it comes to deciding who stays and who goes in an FC provided that there's grounds for expulsion. I don't really know what prompted OP to change his mind from issuing a warning to kicking them out but if them making an even bigger issue/drama in the future is what I'll get for keeping them, then the obvious decision to kick these people is valid. Sometimes there really is just bad luck, it doesn't matter if there's 8, 14 people being kicked in a short duration, so long as they prove to be disrespectful to an FC and its members, they should go

[hasana]

This thread is dragging on longer than it's supposed to be. I'm not sure if you've read the whole thread but if we go by what OP has said about the ones who were kicked badmouthing him on a live medium, then that should clearly be a violation of so-called basic respect. OP has also mentioned about the 8 "cliquey" players who he decided to kick in turn for bad behaviour, I'm guessing these are the ones who wanted to get back to OP and his FC. To me that paints a bad and childish image of these people. Tbh I've never been an FC leader but it doesn't take a lot to know that managing one is hard. I don't really think it's fair to judge an FC leader's temperament and decision-making when it comes to deciding who stays and who goes in an FC provided that there's grounds for expulsion. I don't really know what prompted OP to change his mind from issuing a warning to kicking them out but if them making an even bigger issue/drama in the future is what I'll get for keeping them, then the obvious decision to kick these people is valid. Sometimes there really is just bad luck, it doesn't matter if there's 8, 14 people being kicked in a short duration, so long as they prove to be disrespectful to an FC and its members, they should go

Why are you talking like OP is some random guy you don't know when he's obviously your fc leader?

[SturmChurro]

Why are you talking like OP is some random guy you don't know when he's obviously your fc leader?

I looked it up, and the OP actually is his FC leader.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1UtRnGn5hc