Entitled people kick from FC harassing after??

[Yakoo]

What is this "if you're not with me, you're against me cuz you don't know me" babble you're spewing? You made your case and clearly you stand by it. No one ne actually diaagreed that the baddies you kicked are bad, they're only questioning if your method on dealing with them was the appropriate one bases on their perspective.

If you didn't want differing views on how to deal with some situations, should've avoided posting on general discussion thread.

Hell, if you want to take the "idc about your opinion" route, should've left the thread at the first post you made and not look back.

some can say "If you give a warning, stick to it". This is what makes you a good leader.
Others can also say "A change to the correct punishment, leaving it is not good enough". Leadership choices can change anytime, if it benefits everyone. This is what makes you a good leader.

But from what I've seen from people, some of people here are so heavily fixated on the "YOU GAVE YOUR WARNING, STICK WITH IT", mentality that you're failing to see other underlining issues that can come next. You're only using your own opinions to try and make it as if I am in ANY wrong in changing my mind from a warning to a kick, TO KICK OUT TOXIC PEOPLE. No wonder why KalinOrthos (others that think alike), are so aggressive. Because people like YOU want to protect trash people.You must honestly think I want to be selfish and then using the "change of mind" to try and make/govern statements to try to prove I am selfish. Then calling me a bad leader and ridiculing (When I don't find stuff like this funny), since when is a leader bad for changing a decision on something, that they want to improve, EVER??

Edit: You say "differing views", when one person called me tyrant because of a change on what I think was good to make, and another say I am ridiculing... "makes sense".

[CrimsonGunner]

some can say "If you give a warning, stick to it". This is what makes you a good leader.
Others can also say "A change to the correct punishment, leaving it is not good enough". Leadership choices can change anytime, if it benefits everyone. This is what makes you a good leader.

But from what I've seen from people, some of people here are so heavily fixated on the "YOU GAVE YOUR WARNING, STICK WITH IT", mentality that you're failing to see other underlining issues that can come next. You're only using your own opinions to try and make it as if I am in ANY wrong in changing my mind from a warning to a kick, TO KICK OUT TOXIC PEOPLE. No wonder why KalinOrthos (others that think alike), are so aggressive. Because people like YOU want to protect trash people.You must honestly think I want to be selfish and then using the "change of mind" to try and make/govern statements to try to prove I am selfish. Then calling me a bad leader and ridiculing (When I don't find stuff like this funny), since when is a leader bad for changing a decision on something, that they want to improve, EVER??

yakoo, did you posted here to gain recognition to your action or hear what other people opinions are?
those are still valid points to reflect on and try to improve as a leader.

"you gave your verdict,stick to it" is a good point and something think about the next time something like that happen.
think carefully about the verdict before applying it,you can decide on what that is after awhile as well and not giving it straight away.
they are different views and that person said that point is what felt like a tyrant move to do, he didn't explained it well but his point was that a leader shouldn't change his verdict out of the blue like that.

if you want to improve try to stick to the valid points they said and avoid the attitude, that the jest of my words.

[Theodric]

We're only getting one side of the story to begin with, so I'm going to assume there's more to this than is being put forth. I don't understand the need for validation from complete strangers on the internet. If harassment did occur then it's a matter for the GM's to deal with. Any player input on the matter is simply going to be affected by bias and/or differing viewpoints. Which is perfectly fine, since the community isn't a hive mind.

[Yakoo]

yakoo, did you posted here to gain recognition to your action or hear what other people opinions are?
those are still valid points to reflect on and try to improve as a leader.

"you gave your verdict,stick to it" is a good point and something think about the next time something like that happen.
think carefully about the verdict before applying it,you can decide on what that is after awhile as well and not giving it straight away.

Within my first post in my conclusion, I did clearly state to toxic people to stay away from FC's, if they want to join FC's only to cause trouble. I did say that I was spreading awareness to this sort of thing before. Especially when people just want to be bad to others for the sake of being bad. Not here for recognition, while those points are still valid that some have mentioned, some can also say that a leader can change their mind if its needed to be done if their first initial action wasn't good enough. If they put it in your way I would be able to have seen their point, but instead, they said things with little to no foresight on the situation and just used the "You gave your word" thing, then turn around and say another thing.

[Yakoo]

We're only getting one side of the story to begin with, so I'm going to assume there's more to this than is being put forth. I don't understand the need for validation from complete strangers on the internet. If harassment did occur then it's a matter for the GM's to deal with. Any player input on the matter is simply going to be affected by bias and/or differing viewpoints. Which is perfectly fine, since the community isn't a hive mind.

Yes, I have already reported them to the GM's, and wanted to also share my story here, to see if others had any similar experiences to what I had or other stories that they wish to share..

[SenorPatty]

Yes, I have already reported them to the GM's, and wanted to also share my story here, to see if others had any similar experiences to what I had or other stories that they wish to share..

Well if that's all you're here to do...

Let it go. For real, let it go.

Think about it. You've already dealt with the situation. It's not like the bads posted their story here to say you're posting yours to counter theirs. It's not like you're here to ask for advice or to confirm if you did the right thing. So clearly, you're not here to seek validation or attention (according to you). You're just here to spread awareness.

Yet here we are, dozens of pages of you, attempting to validate your choices (even though you're not) and confirming you did the right thing (even though you're not looking to confirm).

"But other people are posting too"--because you're doing the above. This whole thing should've blown over at least 10 pages ago. Now you have a guildmate of yours posting (and sadly doing it like they're a stranger).

Let it go. Or keep the snowball going. But at least be honest and realistic for yourself with the whole "spreading awareness' thing as it keeps going.

[Yakoo]

Let it go. For real, let it go.

Think about it. You've already dealt with the situation. It's not like the bads posted their story here to say you're posting yours to counter theirs. It's not like you're here to ask for advice or to confirm if you did the right thing. So clearly, you're not here to seek validation or attention (according to you). You're just here to spread awareness.

Yet here we are, dozens of pages of you, attempting to validate your choices (even though you're not) and confirming you did the right thing (even though you're not looking to confirm).

"But other people are posting too"--because you're doing the above. This whole thing should've blown over at least 10 pages ago. Now you have a guildmate of yours posting (and sadly doing it like they're a stranger).

The only thing that ticked me off to where we are now, is when someone labelled me a Tyrant (For just wanting to do good for the FC) maybe I would've let it go then, if they actually could see what I was trying to do for my FC, but instead, only because it differs to theirs and they say "I believe in 2nd chances, that people can change", I do as well, but this was already the 2nd time something like this has happened, so I thought to myself "Is it really worth keeping these people?? Because something like this may actually happen again" - Only until this thought I decided to change my decision and correct it. Validation or attention isn't really important, because I just wanted to share my experiences in what happened. Some even shared their stories back, which I took the time reading, Yes mainly to spread awareness to Jerky people or to anyone who thinks of wanting to cause problems with anyone else's FCs.

I will say this again, some people are getting the wrong notion that leaders cannot change their decision.. EVER, but just how many times have we seen leaders ingame/IRL change their decisions. People wanted to compare it to a Job vs a Hobby, it can go both ways too.

My FC member wanted to state what "They also thought was the right thing to do", since people here are trying to debate between whats right or wrong. For them they weren't there in the past when I kicked passed members, but they were around when we got harassed. Some people claimed I was making things up just for "attention or validation" - so they claimed. I dont think that was stranger like, they also wanted to give insight on what they thought, so just because they are in my FC, doesn't mean they are talking on my behalf either.

I am being realistic, but some are only sticking to one thing on their belief that "If you gave consent, you can't change it" BS. People around us always changes decisions, do you really believe that some people here don't even change their mind at all on the choices they made??? They should also stop pushing that crap over to me, if they also changed their mind with any initial thought.

[Hugowulf]

Well if that's all you're here to do...

Let it go. For real, let it go.

Think about it. You've already dealt with the situation. It's not like the bads posted their story here to say you're posting yours to counter theirs. It's not like you're here to ask for advice or to confirm if you did the right thing. So clearly, you're not here to seek validation or attention (according to you). You're just here to spread awareness.

Yet here we are, dozens of pages of you, attempting to validate your choices (even though you're not) and confirming you did the right thing (even though you're not looking to confirm).

"But other people are posting too"--because you're doing the above. This whole thing should've blown over at least 10 pages ago. Now you have a guildmate of yours posting (and sadly doing it like they're a stranger).

Let it go. Or keep the snowball going. But at least be honest and realistic for yourself with the whole "spreading awareness' thing as it keeps going.

I wonder if they’ll get their other fc members to come post on here.

[Saefinn]

I'm gonna concur with SenorPatty. I can see where you are coming from, hence I've concurred with some of your arguments. And I think the fact you've kept it anonymous means you aren't shaming these people and I agree 'tyrant' was harsh. we have rant threads of people's bad experiences posting every so often here (and have a huge thread for DF rants) and rarely they get an interrogation, so I understand that desire to try and defend your position. But of course, as with anything, there are and will be difference of opinion (which is fine) and there will also be people who'd be more inclined to try and get a rise out of you.

But I think it has started to snowball, normally this is where I'd think "I'm gonna walk away from this" and avoid going in circles when my mind is set and other people's minds are set, but of course your prerogative whether you do.

[SenorPatty]

The only thing that ticked me off to where we are now, is when someone labelled me a Tyrant (For just wanting to do good for the FC) maybe I would've let it go then, if they actually could see what I was trying to do for my FC, but instead, only because it differs to theirs and they say "I believe in 2nd chances, that people can change", I do as well, but this was already the 2nd time something like this has happened, so I thought to myself "Is it really worth keeping these people?? Because something like this may actually happen again" - Only until this thought I decided to change my decision and correct it. Validation or attention isn't really important, because I just wanted to share my experiences in what happened. Some even shared their stories back, which I took the time reading, Yes mainly to spread awareness to Jerky people or to anyone who thinks of wanting to cause problems with anyone else's FCs.

I will say this again, some people are getting the wrong notion that leaders cannot change their decision.. EVER, but just how many times have we seen leaders ingame/IRL change their decisions. People wanted to compare it to a Job vs a Hobby, it can go both ways too.

My FC member wanted to state what "They also thought was the right thing to do", since people here are trying to debate between whats right or wrong. For them they weren't there in the past when I kicked passed members, but they were around when we got harassed. Some people claimed I was making things up just for "attention or validation" - so they claimed. I dont think that was stranger like, they also wanted to give insight on what they thought, so just because they are in my FC, doesn't mean they are talking on my behalf either.

I am being realistic, but some are only sticking to one thing on their belief that "If you gave consent, you can't change it" BS. People around us always changes decisions, do you really believe that some people here don't even change their mind at all on the choices they made??? They should also stop pushing that crap over to me, if they also changed their mind with any initial thought.

So you're not going to let this go. Ok. Godspeed in your eternal cycle of...whatever this thing this thread has become.