Eden Savage Loot

[HyoMinPark]

Neither are you, you benefited from this system greatly so for you it is great for others it is not = FACT

No, I have literally argued about the system you are so keen to implement—you took it from a suggestion I made, mind you. I just have the ability to see the flaws in it and look at the bigger picture, where as you seemingly don’t. You are too focused on one thing (gearing mains) that you’re ignoring the problems with your suggestions and the reasons why the developers wouldn’t consider them.

I actually didn’t benefit as much as you think I have. My main is only geared because I started clearing Week 1, and I didn’t limit myself to the first two fights. I still had my own pieces of main gear that I had to buy, and I bought nearly all of my upgrade items save for one twine that I was given Week 2. I was the last DPS in my static to get the weapon coffer—my weapon never dropped (and still hasn’t by the way). None of this is really any of your business—you’re just erecting strawmen at this point because you’re really set on trying to make me into the bad guy here.

that means you have geared your main and managed to gear an alt class as well and you also say about your healers that have some ES gear and yet still have some 440 gear - BUT you have geared your main and at least 1 alt class - meaning what I am saying is correct and is true and is an actual FACT based on what you yourself have said. PEOPLE are able to gear their main class and an alt or 2 or 3 before some people have been able to gear their main classes.

The only reason I have managed to gear BRD is because BRD BiS is literally the same as DNC BiS minus the weapon. That is the only reason it is geared. If BRD BiS were different from DNC BiS, then no, I actually wouldn’t have BRD geared. Do you understand the concept of shared BiS?

YOU haven’t geared your main class. Others—in both PUGs and statics—have managed to gear their mains just fine. The system may not have been in YOUR favor this tier, but that doesn’t mean that it’s not working. It’s your OPINION that it’s not working simply because it hasn’t worked for YOU. I’d wager if you’d won all of your rolls, you’d be singing a far different tune about the system as a whole.

Neither are you, - Also I have listened to what you have said and I have agreed some of the things you have said have been good suggestions but you are not willing to compromise on this system you benefited from this system greatly so for you it is great for others it is not, however that dose not mean I am not willing to listen or discuss it just means you are 100% backing a system which you have benefited greatly from meaning your judgement and opinion is biased because you have benefited greatly from the system - of course you will back a system that you have benefited from thats natural and of course you wont see the flaws in it when you have benefited from it

I don’t support your system because it is flawed. That doesn’t mean I’m unwilling to compromise. Your system ignores alt jobs entirely—because you want to only stress the importance of gearing main jobs, but people don’t take 6 months to gear a main job. Eventually, people move on to alts, and they want to be able to get alt gear. The developers will not change this system to an alt-unfriendly system no matter how much you want them to.

Your opinions on this system are shaped because you haven’t benefited from it. Don’t try and say that they aren’t—if you had won all your rolls, I’m certain that this thread wouldn’t even exist. You want to gear your main job—you think that people gearing mains is more important than people wanting to gear alts—and you want to implement a system that gives you exactly what you want without regard for what others want.

Firstly you mentioned you other jobs FIRST - You also mentioned your STATIC means they are fair game if you didnt want people to speak about them why mention them

I mentioned what my Alphascape static went through with the OLD SYSTEM. That is the only time I’ve really mentioned my static (which, I don’t even raid with that group anymore) in this thread short of:

1. The example comp I provided (I used the comp of my current group)
2. Any time you decide to drag them up

You’ve spent numerous posts trying to tell me what I’m okay with, what I want, what I think and feel. Why don’t you stop that? Because you aren’t me. And what I want—what I’m okay with, and what my opinions are on the mains versus alt argument—are irrelevant here.

Also I am not painting you in a bad light - you are doing it yourself - also you are making yourself look bad because you are basically making yourself look very selfish and unwilling to allow other people to gear themselves as opposed to you gearing all your alt classes.

The implications that you consider yourself more important than people who are gearing their alts are littered throughout your posts. You want a system that prioritizes main jobs because you’re having bad luck gearing your own. You’ve repeatedly said that players who are gearing mains are more important and “need the gear more” than someone who wants it for an alt job. I’m sorry to say this, but that is a very selfish thing to say. I don’t see how I’m the one being selfish by telling you that you have no right to arbiter who gets gear and who is more important: main jobs or alt jobs.

I don’t care to gear all of my classes. But here you are again telling me what I want to do. I’ve never mentioned once in this thread about the jobs that I want geared. At most I stated that my secondaries are healers, and that BRD is geared simply because it shares gear with DNC.

No I have said I am in no rush to gear my alt classes but I do want my main geared. . . this has been said in the past.

You changed your argument to “I am in no rush to gear my alt classes” after I pointed out that you specifically said, “I’m in no rush to gear my classes”.

[ForteNightshade]

And just an FYI - its not just me who thinks the system is bad for people forced to pug or at least FLAWED as you can now clearly see and read - and also see the part where they say the system is FANTASTIC FOR STATICS - this is the reason you like the system and will defend it and hope it remains. So if I am SO WRONG, like you keep claiming I am and the system works perfectly - how have other people got the same views as me, are we all wrong are you the only one who is right you one of the people who have benefited form this system one of the people this system has worked very well for, no its just because you like this system and have benefited from it that you like the system - but thats normal and to be expected but dose not mean it is the BEST system nor dose it mean its a fair system as people have said and I myself have said this system heavily favours people who are in STATICS like yourself.

Do try not to quote people out of context. Notice how Noitems agreed with HyoMin? While they do go on to offer suggestions for ways to tweak the current system—as does Billy—they aren't readily agreeing with you.

I agree with Hyomin on this. The system now allows everyone a piece to be useable and not have a situation of abandoned gear. Yeah it sucks rolling against everyone but the difference now is that you have a much higher chance of getting extra gear for your job on top of the book since the pool is bigger with coffers.

However if anything I would like a inventory check for it where the game checks your inventory to see if you have the item for your current job and assign the loot actions based on that. For example if you're playing a tank and currently do not have the tank headpiece for E2S allowing you to need, while on the flipside only allowing you to greed if you do have it.

While some jobs BIS is Deepshadow and would still allow them to need if they currently don't have them I think a system like that would be an improvement to our current one. At least adopting more of the JP mindset of getting people who really need the gear taken care of first before those leveling their alts.