Eden Savage Loot

[HyoMinPark]

Oh yeah its all RNG I get that but like for the Primal EX's the system put in place there stops me from rolling on FENDING gear so if I am with another tank who has lets say 440 gear - and not the 450 gear from the Primal - and FENDING gear Drops then he would get that - I think that is 100% fair, I myself like that system far more than this one, its less competition.

I am honestly just saying the system for people who pug things need to be better, so that they too can get a better chance to gear themselves. Thats all.

Changing to that system still runs the risk of groups receiving drops that they don’t need—which then are likely to just hit the floor. You still see that with the random weapon drop in E4S—my group hasn’t had a single week go by where we got a weapon we actually needed for a main class save for Week 3, when the WHM cane dropped for our WHM. Each week it’s been a weapon for either: a job none of us play, or a weapon that one of us already got a coffer for (the BLM rod has dropped 4 times our of the 8 times we’ve cleared).

Sometimes you have crap RNG and walk away with nothing—but that happens to everyone. Other times, you have astounding RNG and walk away with all of the coffers. That’s the trade off for a system that guarantees drops to not be worthless.

I did actually check this he had the BiS - he already had them, and as you say the belt is not the best, so then I ask why. He also already had the headgear - the bard genuinely didn't need to roll on the items he rolled on - there were others there who in my opinion their needs were greater than his own he could have just let them have it.

Was it the i470 Augmented Deepshadow or the i470 Savage head piece? You’re only saying i470 piece, but there are two different ones. If it was the Augmented Deepshadow, well, sadly for him he wasted a twine on that because it’s not BiS for any of the Aiming jobs in any of their proposed gearsets—but the i470 Savage is BiS. The belt is useless because all of them are i470 Augmented. So I’ll concede there if his gear was as you were describing.

I will be honest that is rough, I will just say I am only saying I think the system needs to be better thats all, Im not saying anyone is doing wrong, Im just saying I think it needs to be better, like you just said casting gear dropping in a group that didn’t have a caster, yeah it dose happen, Im just wondering aloud if there's anything that can make it stop happening, but benefit all at the same time. I mean the new system is good, that way, but its bad in the way that people who have say the head piece equipped can again roll for the head piece. I mean that bard for example claimed he was gearing his 5th alt class.

The only way they could stop the useless drops is to configure an algorithm that reads party compositions each time they queue into the instance, and adjust potential loot tables off of the jobs that the game registers in the instance. But this is only effective really for gearing mains—seeking gear for alts that one may not have in one’s composition would be impossible in this scenario since the game would never drop, say, Maiming gear if there wasn’t a DRG present. That said, I doubt that the developers would take the time to configure coding for this.

Making it so that people cannot roll on a head piece coffer if they have a head piece equipped also isn’t a solution. Because then that prevents them from rolling on gear for alts in pug parties that don’t have “gear your mains only” rules or for statics who are distributing loot for alt jobs (which is what mine is currently doing because all of our mains are geared now). Changing it to Greed Only would be a better solution than to not allowing them to roll at all.

I ideally would like a system that allows everyone to be able to gear themselves at a similar time span.

I think that this would be difficult to achieve, because BiS sets are different for each role. Healers, for example, take left side pieces almost exclusively from Savage. Aiming gearsets, on the other hand, take tome gloves, belt, and legs—they have less Savage pieces compared to healers.

When you have optimal gearsets that have different ratios of Savage gear to Tomestone gear, you can’t hope to gear everyone at the same rate. I had my BiS much faster than a lot of my raid mates because theirs took more Tome pieces than mine, for example. So I got a lot of the Savage drops when they first dropped.

[HyoMinPark]

I pug things, Im just suggesting improving the system for people who are forced to pug things because its not brilliant for people who do pug things. I personally do not want to have to compete with everyone and their alt classes for gear.

See my post above. I already addressed things they could do—along with the downfalls of each.

[HyoMinPark]

now I am almost certain (like 90%) I saw a bard roll on the belt from E1S and had the 470 belt equipped Im also almost certain the same bard rolled for the head piece on E2S and again had the 470 head piece equipped - now in my opinion he didn't NEED these items - I have the 470 belt myself and I have a few other 470 items (i think I have 3 /4 in total) So I press PASS on the items I already have I would rather they go to someone who has not got them

While the belt isn’t BiS for any of the Aiming, the Savage head piece is BiS for all three. So, technically, he was taking gear for his main job if he rolled and won the i470 Savage head piece.

Now I was almost certain there was a time where FENDING items dropped in Savage but then I thought I dreamed that up - I personally preferred that - I mean then it was only me and the other tank competing for FENDING items, and if the other tank had the items then I am certain he couldn't roll for them again - I mean I find the system they use with the Primal EX's much nicer - It was/is a nicer system in my opinion, it made it easier for people with bad rolls to gear themselves and we were not competing with everyone. I really preferred that system. I do think a lot of people who have really bad luck did too.

That was the case in both Alexander and Omegascape. They changed specific drops into the coffers because there was always a possibility of double drops or getting drops that no one needed (e.g., casting gear dropping in a group that didn’t have a caster).

Personally, I prefer the new system. In Alphascape, my static went 9 weeks without seeing a single Slaying accessory. In o10s, the Aiming gloves dropped every other week—they weren’t BiS for BRD or MCH. We didn’t have a caster, but our MNK secondary’d BLM and had it geared before his main class with all the casting gear that kept dropping.

[RicaRuin]

Completely gear 5 different classes since Savage Release? In 10 weeks? That's awesome. /s

[Noitems]

I agree with Hyomin on this. The system now allows everyone a piece to be useable and not have a situation of abandoned gear. Yeah it sucks rolling against everyone but the difference now is that you have a much higher chance of getting extra gear for your job on top of the book since the pool is bigger with coffers.

However if anything I would like a inventory check for it where the game checks your inventory to see if you have the item for your current job and assign the loot actions based on that. For example if you're playing a tank and currently do not have the tank headpiece for E2S allowing you to need, while on the flipside only allowing you to greed if you do have it.

While some jobs BIS is Deepshadow and would still allow them to need if they currently don't have them I think a system like that would be an improvement to our current one. At least adopting more of the JP mindset of getting people who really need the gear taken care of first before those leveling their alts.