Rescue being used as a weapon

[hynaku]

If healer uses rescue on tank into more monsters and causes the party to wipe because of it they should be kicked and replaced. Its tanks job to decide how many monsters to pull that they can handle. Some people are good at large pulls others that's new is not.

[Awha]

If healer uses rescue on tank into more monsters and causes the party to wipe because of it they should be kicked and replaced. Its tanks job to decide how many monsters to pull that they can handle. Some people are good at large pulls others that's new is not.

Here is the thing let us say the healer used it to force larger pulls the only way a wipe would happen is if the tank does not grab aggro which with the new tanking changes I cannot think of many legitimate reasons for a tank to not be able to get aggro short from mentioning they were AFK or something. So I would say the wipe was on the fault of the tank, now if the healer was overestimating their own skills and the tank got aggro, used cooldowns etc . . . that is a different story.

I guess a better way of saying what I am trying to say is even if the healer forces a larger pull if the party wipes due to the tank not getting aggro or using cool downs, the tank is also responsible for the wipe. Sure the healer put the tank in the situation where a wipe could happen, but if the tank froze up and forgot to push buttons, then their actions also contributed to the final outcome IE the wipe.

[hynaku]

Here is the thing let us say the healer used it to force larger pulls the only way a wipe would happen is if the tank does not grab aggro which with the new tanking changes I cannot think of many legitimate reasons for a tank to not be able to get aggro short from mentioning they were AFK or something. So I would say the wipe was on the fault of the tank, now if the healer was overestimating their own skills and the tank got aggro, used cooldowns etc . . . that is a different story.

I guess a better way of saying what I am trying to say is even if the healer forces a larger pull if the party wipes due to the tank not getting aggro or using cool downs, the tank is also responsible for the wipe. Sure the healer put the tank in the situation where a wipe could happen, but if the tank froze up and forgot to push buttons, then their actions also contributed to the final outcome IE the wipe.

Wrong since healer pulled the tank into monsters to make a bigger pull. But did you stop and think if tanks had skills on cd before you did it. Don't try put blame on the tank when your one who decided to use rescue to pull more monsters. Nice try but if group wipes from it. That's 100% on you who caused it. Tank is leader of the party not the healer. Every time seen healer or dps who pulls extra monsters on purpose tank will let them die. Teaches them who is the leader of the party is.

[Awha]

Wrong since healer pulled the tank into monsters to make a bigger pull. But did you stop and think if tanks had skills on cd before you did it. Don't try put blame on the tank when your one who decided to use rescue to pull more monsters. Nice try but if group wipes from it. That's 100% on you who caused it. Tank is leader of the party not the healer. Every time seen healer or dps who pulls extra monsters on purpose tank will let them die. Teaches them who is the leader of the party is.

Thing is if the tank holds aggro even if the tank does not pop any cool downs if the healer has theirs and the DPS is on point the healer can keep even a brain dead tank alive they just need to hold aggro. All a healer that pulls for a tank that has no cool downs ready does is make their job harder, even if someone pulls extra mobs that does not give someone the excuse to not perform their primary function which is to hold aggro.

Granted always exceptions, but this is just generally a healer should more or less be able to keep a tank alive through a larger pull even without cool downs if they hold aggro and avoid aoes, more or less by doing their basic function as a tank. When people use to pull extra mobs for me I simply just got the aggro, if I died because they pulled extra mobs that was on them, but if we wiped because I failed to grab aggro either due to lack of skill or willingness how is that not partly my fault? I failed to perform my role as a tank.

[Liam_Harper]

Here is the thing let us say the healer used it to force larger pulls the only way a wipe would happen is if the tank does not grab aggro which with the new tanking changes I cannot think of many legitimate reasons for a tank to not be able to get aggro short from mentioning they were AFK or something. So I would say the wipe was on the fault of the tank, now if the healer was overestimating their own skills and the tank got aggro, used cooldowns etc . . . that is a different story.

This is why I don't tank in PF. Another player can literally fling you across into a pile of mobs, regardless of your cd's or whether you stopped to type a message or afk for 5 seconds and it's entirely your fault if you aren't ready and adjust immediately.

I mean, it's fine, majority rules and all that. I'm not going to argue anyone should run my way. I simply accept tanking PF sounds rubbish and there's one less tank in your queues.

[Awha]

This is why I don't tank in PF. Another player can literally fling you across into a pile of mobs, regardless of your cd's or whether you stopped to type a message or afk for 5 seconds and it's entirely your fault if you aren't ready and adjust immediately.

I mean, it's fine, majority rules and all that. I'm not going to argue anyone should run my way. I simply accept tanking PF sounds rubbish and there's one less tank in your queues.

I get where you are coming from, but honestly this does not happen very often, most players simply go with the flow and mutter under their breath, discord, or guild chat.

[Sebazy]

This is why I don't tank in PF. Another player can literally fling you across into a pile of mobs, regardless of your cd's or whether you stopped to type a message or afk for 5 seconds and it's entirely your fault if you aren't ready and adjust immediately.

Hi.

Rescue doesn't work on you if you're not in combat. The healer can't just put themselves in combat and then rescue you.

So uhm, did you pull mobs before you went afk or stopped to type? Or are you just making nonsense and hyperbole up for the sake of this low effort bandwagon? I'm genuinely curious.

[Rhais]

Or are you just making nonsense and hyperbole up for the sake of this low effort bandwagon? I'm genuinely curious.

I've noticed this is a very common occurrence on this forum.

[Mavrias]

If healer uses rescue on tank into more monsters and causes the party to wipe because of it they should be kicked and replaced. Its tanks job to decide how many monsters to pull that they can handle. Some people are good at large pulls others that's new is not.

Not good at large pulls? Bro, you just AoE and use mitigation. It's not rocket science.