Rescue being used as a weapon

[Awha]

If healer uses rescue on tank into more monsters and causes the party to wipe because of it they should be kicked and replaced. Its tanks job to decide how many monsters to pull that they can handle. Some people are good at large pulls others that's new is not.

Here is the thing let us say the healer used it to force larger pulls the only way a wipe would happen is if the tank does not grab aggro which with the new tanking changes I cannot think of many legitimate reasons for a tank to not be able to get aggro short from mentioning they were AFK or something. So I would say the wipe was on the fault of the tank, now if the healer was overestimating their own skills and the tank got aggro, used cooldowns etc . . . that is a different story.

I guess a better way of saying what I am trying to say is even if the healer forces a larger pull if the party wipes due to the tank not getting aggro or using cool downs, the tank is also responsible for the wipe. Sure the healer put the tank in the situation where a wipe could happen, but if the tank froze up and forgot to push buttons, then their actions also contributed to the final outcome IE the wipe.

[hynaku]

Here is the thing let us say the healer used it to force larger pulls the only way a wipe would happen is if the tank does not grab aggro which with the new tanking changes I cannot think of many legitimate reasons for a tank to not be able to get aggro short from mentioning they were AFK or something. So I would say the wipe was on the fault of the tank, now if the healer was overestimating their own skills and the tank got aggro, used cooldowns etc . . . that is a different story.

I guess a better way of saying what I am trying to say is even if the healer forces a larger pull if the party wipes due to the tank not getting aggro or using cool downs, the tank is also responsible for the wipe. Sure the healer put the tank in the situation where a wipe could happen, but if the tank froze up and forgot to push buttons, then their actions also contributed to the final outcome IE the wipe.

Wrong since healer pulled the tank into monsters to make a bigger pull. But did you stop and think if tanks had skills on cd before you did it. Don't try put blame on the tank when your one who decided to use rescue to pull more monsters. Nice try but if group wipes from it. That's 100% on you who caused it. Tank is leader of the party not the healer. Every time seen healer or dps who pulls extra monsters on purpose tank will let them die. Teaches them who is the leader of the party is.

[RyuDragnier]

There is only two times I will use Rescue. One is when I know a mechanic is coming in advance and I'm trying to save a person who keeps getting hit by it. The other is when you proceed to get hit by everything, and complain I'm not healing enough. When the 2nd comes into play, you die ON MY TERMS, and you will not get rezzed if I know we can beat it without you.

[Rasikko]

I can't count how many times DPS would grab extra mobs, not even realizing, or evening caring that I blew all my CDs on the last big pull. Tanks pull according to their CD availability. You don't do a monster pull when rampart and the 30% cd are both down ;/

[Mavrias]

If healer uses rescue on tank into more monsters and causes the party to wipe because of it they should be kicked and replaced. Its tanks job to decide how many monsters to pull that they can handle. Some people are good at large pulls others that's new is not.

Not good at large pulls? Bro, you just AoE and use mitigation. It's not rocket science.

[Mavrias]

Easiest way for you to fix the problem if healer keeps using rescue on you and causing ones to die. Just kick them and blacklist in contacts. That way you never get them in your party again.

Blacklisting doesnt prevent you from being grouped up with them. It just prevents then from joining party finder's that you specifically make and from sending you tells and stuff.

[Mistyregions]

I mean at the end of the day, just remember what kind of person those people really are. I just feel bad for them, that their entire train of thought is akin to a toddler or slightly above a bonobo, I mean just *imagine* how bad they are in real life? They may cause you temporary unhappiness in the game, but society, their coworkers, they give that person permanent unhappiness. Every day that person goes to work and every puts up a facade to interact with that person. You aren't alone in truly despise this person. Also if it gives you comfort these same people who do this will experience a life of pain and loneliness, their family will abandon them as soon as possible, maybe a few Pity parties for them. Ultimately they will be old, in an goverment home, rotting in their own bed sores and feces. Slowly dieing in misery, while still blaming everyone but their own piss poor attitude on why life treated them badly.

Every pond has its scum.

[Sebazy]

All online communities have mean people in them. The idea is to not give them consequence free ways to harass other players.

And if you want to be 100% insulated from mean people, go play Nintendo. There's a reason why MMOs tend to have inflated age requirements vs other genres, not to mention the whole 'online interactions are not rated etcetc.

It's the part where we're forcibly taking their character from them and playing puppet master against their will that's a tad sociopathic.

1 reposition, 150 second cool down, need to be grouped, need to be in combat, need an aoe or puddle that'll even do anything in content where I'm not going to wipe us in the process, need to even be bothered. You seem to be under the impression that I'm remote desktoping in and stealing your controls?

Whilst I appreciate that you might not have participated in content where Rescue actually has a fair chance to shine, it would be good if you would at least consider that it is an excellent optimisation tool and does actually have a pretty good place in the end game and sees a bunch of use across the last two savage tiers.

This game already does far more than pretty much any other high profile MMO I've played to coddle and cushion the playerbase. If you think the sheer indignity of getting repositioned against your delicate little will once in a blue moon is bad then you've really seen nothing at all. The endgame scenes in FFXI and Everquest at their primes would have eaten you alive.

[YojimboM]

I made a post previously about adding an option to disable actions that have uncontrollable effects on your character like Rescue, but healers as a demographic seem to be heavily composed of "holier-than-thou knows better-than-you" types who love it too much and are too inexperienced at the game to understand why it's not even that useful and almost always results in a negative outcome unless it's pre-planned in a static or PF setting.

Random DF healers griefing with it or killing people with it (intentionally and unintentionally) is just the price we have to pay for them to watch Twitch clips of better healers pulling people out of mechanics doing their LB in content they'll never actually participate in.

[Awha]

Wrong since healer pulled the tank into monsters to make a bigger pull. But did you stop and think if tanks had skills on cd before you did it. Don't try put blame on the tank when your one who decided to use rescue to pull more monsters. Nice try but if group wipes from it. That's 100% on you who caused it. Tank is leader of the party not the healer. Every time seen healer or dps who pulls extra monsters on purpose tank will let them die. Teaches them who is the leader of the party is.

Thing is if the tank holds aggro even if the tank does not pop any cool downs if the healer has theirs and the DPS is on point the healer can keep even a brain dead tank alive they just need to hold aggro. All a healer that pulls for a tank that has no cool downs ready does is make their job harder, even if someone pulls extra mobs that does not give someone the excuse to not perform their primary function which is to hold aggro.

Granted always exceptions, but this is just generally a healer should more or less be able to keep a tank alive through a larger pull even without cool downs if they hold aggro and avoid aoes, more or less by doing their basic function as a tank. When people use to pull extra mobs for me I simply just got the aggro, if I died because they pulled extra mobs that was on them, but if we wiped because I failed to grab aggro either due to lack of skill or willingness how is that not partly my fault? I failed to perform my role as a tank.