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  1. #61
    Player Goji1639's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alucard135 View Post
    If you don't know how to use it, don't complain about it lol.
    But I do know how to use it. I cast in on a party member and move them where I want them. What determines the correct way to use the ability depends on where I want them. If I'm in a bad mood I may not want them to go where they want to go.
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  2. #62
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goji1639 View Post
    But I do know how to use it. I cast in on a party member and move them where I want them. What determines the correct way to use the ability depends on where I want them. If I'm in a bad mood I may not want them to go where they want to go.
    There we go, the problem was not with the ability all this time. It was with you all along :P
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  3. #63
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReiMakoto View Post
    I feel youre really stretching definitions there, at what point does peoples feelings and the general desire to play the game clash. Do you need to "Respect the feelings" of a RPing tank who doesnt use aoes and stops all the time, or a dancer who only dance and no other actions, at what level does it become sociopathy to not put up with this people. The reason we're all focusing on that is because implicetly youve called us all sociopaths if we're arguing for free rescuing of people, and if you understood peoples feelings you would understand that
    If you don't like how certain people play you don't have to play with them. It's the part where we're forcibly taking their character from them and playing puppet master against their will that's a tad sociopathic. I agree it's on the lighter end of what would fit that term, and I even threw some on my initial claim to show I wasn't entirely serious. Still, it's not incorrect.
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  4. #64
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alucard135 View Post
    There we go, the problem was not with the ability all this time. It was with you all along :P
    All online communities have mean people in them. The idea is to not give them consequence free ways to harass other players.
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  5. #65
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goji1639 View Post
    All online communities have mean people in them. The idea is to not give them consequence free ways to harass other players.
    They weren't given that though. Try being a healer in my party and start harassing others with rescue. See if I can get you kicked and banned or not.
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  6. #66
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goji1639 View Post
    All online communities have mean people in them. The idea is to not give them consequence free ways to harass other players.
    But there is, isn't there? We just had, and was mentioned in this thread a few times too, a person punished for using rescue poorly. That's official by the game punishment for trolling, can also take Alucard135's player example too.

    Like if you refused to heal or raise.. There is something different with losing control of your character, like stuns in PvP just feel horrific lol (I remember in old vanilla WoW there was 40 second sleep sort of things... /shudder XD), but it's certainly not punishment free. Unhappy when people are mean but I personally find rescue quite enjoyable to use and think it's also very helpful skill (wish I had one for enemies lol).

    Personally when a healer saves me with a rescue I feel like we just had a hug, like when a Paladin does a clutch cover, or when the tank shirks after you provoke (I really, really, like these moments).
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    Last edited by Shougun; 09-27-2019 at 03:09 AM.

  7. #67
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goji1639 View Post
    If you don't like how certain people play you don't have to play with them. It's the part where we're forcibly taking their character from them and playing puppet master against their will that's a tad sociopathic. I agree it's on the lighter end of what would fit that term, and I even threw some on my initial claim to show I wasn't entirely serious. Still, it's not incorrect.
    Your emojis came off as passive aggressive smug, and youre making rescue sound way more nefarious than it actually is to try and lend credence to your point, no one is going "MWHAHAHA I'M THE PUPPET LORD, DANCE FOR ME MORTAL", theyre more likely going "Oh shit that guys gonna die better save his life", or even "It'd be more beneficial for everyone if that guy was over here in this stack marker/bubble". Neither of those are sociopathic, in fact they are empathic in nature.
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    This ability is just annoying to begin with.

    I know my casting time and how long I can wait and keep casting before I have to dodge.

    Stop using rescue on me Karen and screwing up my rotation cause you think you know better than me. There is nothing more annoying than a rescue happy healer. Had one in roulette recently who would use it on me every time there was an aoe I could easily dodge after finishing my cast and I almost just left the instance. "Stop using rescue I had plenty of time to finish my cast and dodge" "well don't stand in aoes then" ...it's like, I'm not you half wit, let me finish my dang cast /irritated
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  9. #69
    Player Goji1639's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by HyoMinPark View Post
    I’m not confusing it with anything. A “sociopath” is generally someone who is diagnosed with anti-social personality disorder—which requires them to display multiple kinds of anti-social behaviors, not just one. You’re so focused on the control aspect being enough when, from a scientific point of view, it’s never enough to diagnose an individual with ASPD just because they’re a control freak. Someone being a control freak doesn’t mean that they are a sociopath.

    I think you should calm it with the hyperbole, personally.



    Because you’re literally saying that people who use Rescue are sociopaths, dude.

    Though, I do love that you’re so upset about people “controlling” your character with Rescue that you would advocate for controlling whether or not they can use their skill in the first place. Is this not terribly ironic?
    I wasn't making a medical diagnosis, I was just pointing out how some of the extreme control freak tendencies here are a bit sociopathic. It was honestly just a throwaway comment anyways, you're the ones making it the focal point of the discussion.

    Anyways, all I was advocating for is an option to opt out of it for people. The fact that so many of you feel that people absolutely should not be allowed to opt out of your control of them is a bit... socio... socially weird.
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    Last edited by Goji1639; 09-27-2019 at 03:21 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goji1639 View Post
    But I do know how to use it. I cast in on a party member and move them where I want them. What determines the correct way to use the ability depends on where I want them. If I'm in a bad mood I may not want them to go where they want to go.
    Quite literally not how you use rescue at all.
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