"New game plus - quests will have no rewards..."

[Nemmar]

Because people will use it for spamming. It's that simple. Bots, anyone?

Do you see flocks of bots in WoW or any other major mmo? Do they not have quest rewards? Bots are an issue that squeenix has to solve on their back end. It's not something to be solved through game design.

As you have said, if it's not the best Xp/minute people won't spam it. They will do it for the story and a bit of XP or gil or whatever they would add. They could spam it, but as long as it's not a very profitable option, it's unlikely they would.

[Rannie]

A good example of a missing cutscene from the inn, is the one where ryne and y'shtola is talking to us about how we are feeling. We have three options to choose from, the top I dont remember the second one is telling them we are fine (the one I picked and got reamed by Y'shtola about) and the third option was saying "Yes Mother". I want to replay that as MY Rannie, I want to try the other options to see what is said. I know I can go to Garlond tools and read it or see how funny the reaction to yes mother is at TVtropes but I want to experience it on my main not on my alt. It's those little things that make it worthwhile to me and to others. Does everyone agree? Nope. Do I expect everyone to agree? Nope. Will I hope that those who disagree understand each other and not discount what others are saying? Yes.

Btw I'm saying this again I could care less if NG + has rewards or not.

[MikuMitsuko]

Do you see flocks of bots in WoW or any other major mmo? Do they not have quest rewards? Bots are an issue that squeenix has to solve on their back end. It's not something to be solved through game design.

As you have said, if it's not the best Xp/minute people won't spam it. They will do it for the story and a bit of XP or gil or whatever they would add. They could spam it, but as long as it's not a very profitable option, it's unlikely they would.

I wasn't aware this was the WoW forum. And who said to remove quest rewards?? This is about NG+. Level 80 content. For characters who don't even NEED exp in the first place. If it wasn't, bots would ruin it anyway.

None of this matters anyway because SE said it NG+ won't have rewards. They are not likely to change their minds.

[DynnDiablos]

This is off topic and will probably be spun on me again for daring to try and explain. But, yes, those things are indeed worthless to you. When developing a game though, you have to make decisions on what to add and how large the amount of players that would play such a feature and what effect it would have in the games lifespan is, cause you have limited resources. So, your resources should go to the features that most players will make use of or that will benefit the tail end life of the game. I think that in the terms on new game +, it might have been less clear what people really wanted from it. Many have different ideas of what the feature should be and it has not come to the expectation of all. It does NOT mean they don't care about story. It means they care about more than just the story.

So, please let's try to move from that misrepresentation. You can like more than one thing. New game + doesn't have to be only the bare minimum for only those that want to replay the story with nothing else. If something simple like giving xp is gonna interest more players into using the feature, why should one tell them off? How is the feature gonna lose anything from it? Same goes for achievements or difficulty levels or challenges, etc. Let's try to think less in tribalist terms and more in how we can include as many people as possible.
Also because there are other things, doesn't mean there can't be more.

Just agree to disagree. We move on. That's the end.

[hasana]

I think we should remove the character creation we wouldn't want a bot to abuse it and create a character

[Enla]

I think we should remove the character creation we wouldn't want a bot to abuse it and create a character

Except in this game when bots find an exploit they often ruin the gameplay for others. Or are we just ignoring the fact that they shut down access to the East Shroud on more than one server because it was a good place for the program to farm? Even with all the server advancements SE has made it would not be hard to imagine another Raubahn Savage happening with the most profitable MSQ quests if the botters decide to program around them and flood their instances.

[Driavna]

Why are you such an angry person? You come in here saying we're all rude, when you continue to be unpleasant in all of your posts, thinking this game should cater strictly to your desires and what you deem worthy or not to be in the game.

Not that different from some of your responses to be honest.

[Noitems]

I'll be totally honest reading through all this stuff, if you're not going to use it and it's not going to bother your gameplay experience why complain about it so adamantly?

Reminds me of the argument Jim Sterling used when people complained about Dark Souls having an easy mode. It was legit "Is this going to affect YOUR gameplay experience if other people have the option to use it? No? Then there's no actual reason for you to complain."

Except this argument is even more ridiculous since this is just giving people the option to replay the old content to experience the reward of the story. That in itself should be all you need, instead of leveling a new character through the beginning just to experience the same content you've already completed on your main. The same frustration of being level locked out of completing a MSQ related dungeon or not being a high enough level to complete a quest.

I know people are upset that it doesn't give any EXP (gil for obvious reasons) but let's be honest if you were going to level that job anyway through normal means the EXP you get from NG+ wouldn't be enough to progress far and you would still be level locked out of completing content anyway just plowing through the MSQ.

[KyreneV]

Here's the issue with that, bots. If you add any easy to do, recurring way to earn exp or let alone gil the botters will automatically flock to it with drool dripping down their maws. It's what happened with Frontlines when they introduced exp rewards and there was rarely a match that went by where a good chunk of your team either A. Wasn't running around in circles or B. Intentionally zerging a path to the middle of Shatter to die because even third place was worthwhile. The development team had to nuke the experience offered to a pittance of what they initially were giving us because of them - as well as implement a harsh AFK timer. If any rewards are given for this feature they need to be minuscule and in all honesty at that point it's just better /not/ to tempt fate. At least not while SE seems incapable of handling the bots as they currently seem to be.

Not everything needs a carrot anyways and not every piece of content needs to be rewarding for an individual. I can't stand Eureka and consider it's time investment to be not in any way worth it, but that's okay. It wasn't made for me and I just find other ways to occupy my time.

I do get your point, i really do, but i disagree with a design philosophy based around making things less enjoyable just in case bots might exploit something. That's their everlasting war, not ours, even if sometimes we get a bad experience because bots abuse something.

Now let me say that even a minuscule reward is better than nothing. As i said, i'm not even suggesting that it should be an efficient way to level a job, just a little extra that adds value to the time invested. If you just want to level a job you'll certainly not use NG+ over PotD/HoH or any other method, but if you want to replay the story then you can do it with a different job if that's your choice and earn some xp in the process. It won't take you all the way to 80, maybe not even from 50 to 52, but it's a good way to make it more worth your time. By the way, even though i'm talking about XP all the time, it's just because since we are talking about quests it seems the most obvious choice, but there are more options.

Not everything needs a carrot? i think that is more accurate to say that not everything needs to have the same type of carrot. time investment = reward is a very basic MMORPG concept, it doesn't always have to be about leveling or becoming more powerful, but there is always something that helps in some way or another to progress or achieve some kind of goal and i don't think that a story you already experienced is enough reward for a game+ system if they want it to be a good long term addition to the game. They might as well just expand the inn's storybook instead of this NG+ if all it has to offer is that story you already played.

[Pixiehawk]

I am probably in a minority here, but I make alts to redo the story. Most have not progressed far, as ARR is a slog. I would love to redo the story on my main. I will probably re-run certain stories many times on my main. I am looking forward to re-doing Little Sun. That instance was a blast - even though it took me a few times, as I went in blind and was laughing my butt off when I died. I am sooooo looking forward to this!

Would it be cool if they had rewards for re-doing the story? Sure. I wouldn't mind XP for my jobs that have not hit 80 yet. I'd never say no to Gil. But the SOLE reason I'd do this is for the story. I want to get to know lost friends again. I want to do the (instanced, non-dungeon) fights again. I want to console Tataru when her horrible Carby runs away. I don't want to get the goodies for my feast again, but hey, maybe they'll streamline that out of ARR before it's added and I won't have to. And if they don't I'll suffer through it again just to see how they changed ARR anyhow.

I will do and enjoy this content, as they've shown it. If that is not the case for you, it's not for you. I'm not a raider. I don't have a schedule that would allow for it, and I enjoy other parts of the game more. Would I love the rewards from raiding? Sure, but I'm not going to ask for changes to raiding to make it work for me. If you are not a story person that's ok. This is for people who only want story. For those of us who love the story, the ability to redo it, as is, is enough of a reward.