"New game plus - quests will have no rewards..."

[Nemmar]

Because people will use it for spamming. It's that simple. Bots, anyone?

Do you see flocks of bots in WoW or any other major mmo? Do they not have quest rewards? Bots are an issue that squeenix has to solve on their back end. It's not something to be solved through game design.

As you have said, if it's not the best Xp/minute people won't spam it. They will do it for the story and a bit of XP or gil or whatever they would add. They could spam it, but as long as it's not a very profitable option, it's unlikely they would.

[MikuMitsuko]

Do you see flocks of bots in WoW or any other major mmo? Do they not have quest rewards? Bots are an issue that squeenix has to solve on their back end. It's not something to be solved through game design.

As you have said, if it's not the best Xp/minute people won't spam it. They will do it for the story and a bit of XP or gil or whatever they would add. They could spam it, but as long as it's not a very profitable option, it's unlikely they would.

I wasn't aware this was the WoW forum. And who said to remove quest rewards?? This is about NG+. Level 80 content. For characters who don't even NEED exp in the first place. If it wasn't, bots would ruin it anyway.

None of this matters anyway because SE said it NG+ won't have rewards. They are not likely to change their minds.

[Nemmar]

I wasn't aware this was the WoW forum. And who said to remove quest rewards?? This is about NG+. Level 80 content. For characters who don't even NEED exp in the first place. If it wasn't, bots would ruin it anyway.

None of this matters anyway because SE said it NG+ won't have rewards. They are not likely to change their minds.

Huh? No, this is the FFXIV forum, wich is why bots are an issue that needs resolving. That problem doesn't exist on the most popular mmo's. It will not be fixed by game design, so stop arm-chair trying to design the game cause of bots. It has never has fixed it and it never will. It's a tech problem. They need to fix their tech or sell the gold themselves. This is all off-topic honestly. Stop dragging bots into design discussions guys. I know they are frustrating, but gaming design will not stop them. There is always something they can do as long as the program runs. That is what needs to be stopped.

Yes, i know what they announced. Why do people get so personal over someone saying they would like something to be added when it doesn't affect them in the least? I really don't get it. These forums tire me. If one doesn't speak up, nothing will ever change, no. I just don't get why it's so offensive. I am not denying you anything.

I don't get into the male viera thread saying no they can't have it cause they already got female and that's that. I mean, that's pretty terrible. There would be no point to fan feedback if everyone just resigned themselves to accept only what the devs present. They may not change anything, but these forums are for us to leave our feedback, and sometimes, it might change something.
I mean are you saying this on the housing threads too? Housing is fine, the devs have announced what it is and that's that. If you don't like it, it isn't for you. I dunno, i just can't follow that narrative.

But, fair enough. We can agree to disagree.

[MikuMitsuko]

Huh? No, this is the FFXIV forum, wich is why bots are an issue that needs resolving. That problem doesn't exist on the most popular mmo's. It will not be fixed by game design, so stop arm-chair trying to design the game cause of bots. It has never has fixed it and it never will. It's a tech problem. They need to fix their tech or sell the gold themselves. This is all off-topic honestly. Stop dragging bots into design discussions.

Yes, i know what they announced. Why do people get so personal over someone saying they would like something to be added when it doesn't affect them in the least? I really don't get it. These forums tire me. If one doesn't speak up, nothing will ever change, no. I just don't get why it's so offensive. I am not denying you anything.

I don't into the male viera thread saying no they can't have it cause they already got female and that's that. I mean, that's pretty terrible.

You're being oddly defensive. Is it that bad that someone disagrees with you about something so insignificant as NG+ exp? And it's not dragging them into anything when they're relevant lmao

You're the only one acting offended, my dude.

[Nemmar]

You're being oddly defensive. Is it that bad that someone disagrees with you about something so insignificant as NG+ exp? And it's not dragging them into anything when they're relevant lmao

You're the only one acting offended, my dude.

Well cause there are people here saying the new game + system can't be improved cause reasons. If it's insignificant, why do you care so much to deny it? Your only reason to deny it was: It either will be OP and everyone will spam it, or it will be like 10xp per quest and no one will care. If that's not exaggeration i dunno what is. There is a sensible middle road here wich you are purposely trying to ignore. Thing is, there is no good reason for the quests to not have at least XP rewards, even if they are somewhat nerfed. So the question is in fact, why are you so defensive about it?

[Melichoir]

Well cause there are people here saying the new game + system can't be improved cause reasons. If it's insignificant, why do you care so much to deny it? Your only reason to deny it was: It either will be OP and everyone will spam it, or it will be like 10xp per quest and no one will care. If that's not exaggeration i dunno what is. There is a sensible middle road here wich you are purposely trying to ignore. Thing is, there is no good reason for the quests to not have at least XP rewards, even if they are somewhat nerfed. So the question is in fact, what about this offends YOU so much?

People are giving their speculation why the devs may not have included exp in it. Theyre making the educated guess that the likely reason the devs dont have it give exp is it could cause some sort of imbalance. This is different from your Point of View, where you speculate they didnt do it cause...lazyness? Theyre incompetent? Or some other failing that is so easily avoidable. We can speculate all we want about it, but at the end of the day the devs did not incorporate exp into it for whatever their reasoning is. And your assertion that there's no good reason relies on you ignoring everyone elses position regarding this.

If were gonna discuss why it might possibly cause issues, a pretty straightforward point is that youre hoping it would have exp as a means to replace other leveling methods. For that to be satisfactory, it would need to incorporate roughly the same exp rate if not better. And when you get to doing that, then its a point of min maxing. All it takes is one person to figure out the math and point out that running "Chapter X" over and over is faster than anything else. Im willing to bet that in that case, said chapter probably will be predominately a dialogue chapter. It is most likely that if no exp is involved, it has specifically to do with some variation of this point. Now you may not like this. You may think its stupid. You may think "Who cares if I can do this!" but the Devs care, and theyre priority is to the game and their company. You dont like it, well, sucks to suck but thats tough beans.

If you dont think the min/maxing is a thing then let me point you to POTD. For a while, the fastest way to level was spamming floors 50-59. Or how about Doma Castle? That was just pull to the first boss then quit and repeat. People are clever about min maxing. With as expansive as the MSQ is and the ability to pinpoint a direct point in the story, what makes you think that this wont happen either? Particularly if exp from NG+ were to scale with level. Fairly certain that for overall game health, it probably wouldnt be good to depopulate content that requires gameplay in favor of other content that can be done by spamming left click.

Again this is speculation, but its grounded in basic thinking here and pointing to previous examples that are/were in the game. Its just an explanation as to why the devs might not want it to give exp. Its not offensive to players if it were, but were not complaining and dismissing any possible reason why it doesnt outside of "The Devs Suck".

[MikuMitsuko]

Well cause there are people here saying the new game + system can't be improved cause reasons. If it's insignificant, why do you care so much to deny it? Your only reason to deny it was: It either will be OP and everyone will spam it, or it will be like 10xp per quest and no one will care. If that's not exaggeration i dunno what is. There is a sensible middle road here wich you are purposely trying to ignore. Thing is, there is no good reason for the quests to not have at least XP rewards, even if they are somewhat nerfed. So the question is in fact, why are you so defensive about it?

...how am I being defensive? Again, you're the only one being defensive. Your first reply to me was you immediately acting like a victim in the first sentence lmao. Also, you'd do well not to make assumptions, might help people take you more seriously.
And I have many more reasons. Biggest being it's LEVEL 80 content. Level 80s can't gain exp. So. it's literally 100% pointless to have exp rewards.

It's also pointless to try and point out this obvious fact to you since you seem to take every little disagreement as a personal slight against you.

[Nemmar]

...how am I being defensive? Again, you're the only one being defensive. Your first reply to me was you immediately acting like a victim in the first sentence lmao. Also, you'd do well not to make assumptions, might help people take you more seriously.
And I have many more reasons. Biggest being it's LEVEL 80 content. Level 80s can't gain exp. So. it's literally 100% pointless to have exp rewards.

It's also pointless to try and point out this obvious fact to you since you seem to take every little disagreement as a personal slight against you.

I am pretty sure that it's one level 80 required to unlock it. But you are being disingenuous on purpose. They can very much let you level low level jobs if they so will. It is not something set it stone forever more. Game design is subject to change. If not, ARR would never have happened. So, it is odd to see players here saying such things.

Anyways, i think that is all. It's not a personal disagreement but an uncomprehensible action from people, as it doesn't affect them in the least and would in fact make the feature more popular, wich would be good for everyone that wants to enjoy it. So, really, i don't understand the fixation in just digging in and saying "it's for me not for you" so it can't get any improvements that would allow more people to enjoy it! It seems like there is something here that people are uncomfortable to admit or come to terms with by recurring to exaggeration like Xp amount could never be balanced or amount of gil or whatever new features. Or maybe just like to be disagreeable? I dunno. Either way i already said we can agree to disagree.

[Niwashi]

Biggest being it's LEVEL 80 content.

If so, that's a bigger issue than whether it does or does not have XP rewards. One of the big reasons (maybe not the biggest, but still a fairly major one) for people wanting to replay the story is returning players wanting to review where they left off and what was happening before they forge ahead into the next segment of their story. Besides just players who've been away from the game a while, it's a concern that can also apply to anyone who's spent a while on alt characters, alt jobs, crafting, or whatever other features. Going back and replaying the last few quests that you'd finished would be a far better way of getting back into the story when you're ready to continue it than anything we have available now.

Ideally, this should unlock as soon as you complete your first MSQ or class quest, and let you at any time thereafter review any of the MSQ/class/job quests that you've completed so far. I don't quite see any point in SE's decision to divide it into "chapters" (whatever that is), when it's already subdivided into quests. But having it unlock a chunk of several quests at once as soon as you finish that block could also work (even if not quite as well as being able to go all the way up to the last MSQ you'd completed).

[Niwashi]

Your only reason to deny it was: It either will be OP and everyone will spam it, or it will be like 10xp per quest and no one will care. If that's not exaggeration i dunno what is. There is a sensible middle road here wich you are purposely trying to ignore. Thing is, there is no good reason for the quests to not have at least XP rewards, even if they are somewhat nerfed.

But finding where that middle road is requires balancing each quest, checking the time it takes (both played normally and trying to spam click through it) comparing that to the available XP/minute you can get from various other sources at that level, and so on. It's a lot more work than just adding a UI window for selecting where you want to start your NG+ run and a back end field for tracking where you're at in it.