"New game plus - quests will have no rewards..."

[Kytrin]

I am honestly astonished by how heated this seems to be getting. There's nothing wrong with people asking for exp rewards from NG+. It's it required? No. Is it something we should assume we'll get? No. Should the rewards be identical to what they were before? No probably not. Is NG+ awesome all on its own? Absolutely!

But I don't see how it's such a bad thing to wish for an alternative for leveling outside of roulettes and eternal grinding? I personally love leveling by story far more than by most other ways. I don't even mind the sheer number of quests because I'm enjoying myself. I would cheerfully drag literally every other job I haven't been bothered to level up to 80 if I got to enjoy the story with each one lol! I mean, I'll enjoy the feature regardless, but I can't fault anyone for asking for some form of reward other than getting to see the story again.

[MikuMitsuko]

I am honestly astonished by how heated this seems to be getting. There's nothing wrong with people asking for exp rewards from NG+. It's it required? No. Is it something we should assume we'll get? No. Should the rewards be identical to what they were before? No probably not. Is NG+ awesome all on its own? Absolutely!

But I don't see how it's such a bad thing to wish for an alternative for leveling outside of roulettes and eternal grinding? I personally love leveling by story far more than by most other ways. I don't even mind the sheer number of quests because I'm enjoying myself. I would cheerfully drag literally every other job I haven't been bothered to level up to 80 if I got to enjoy the story with each one lol! I mean, I'll enjoy the feature regardless, but I can't fault anyone for asking for some form of reward other than getting to see the story again.

It's not that people are asking for rewards in so much as they're acting like the content is worthless garbage taking resources away from 'muh real content' just because it doesn't dangle carrots in front of you. The purpose of NG+ is not for leveling. It's solely to see the story again. This is what SE has said, this is what it will be. The fact that some people can't wrap their heads around that is the truly astonishing thing.

I'm glad SE isn't going to let people level all of their jobs to 80 by spamming the Skip Cutscene button.

[dragonkyn20]

It's not that people are asking for rewards in so much as they're acting like the content is worthless garbage taking resources away from 'muh real content' just because it doesn't dangle carrots in front of you. The purpose of NG+ is not for leveling. It's solely to see the story again. This is what SE has said, this is what it will be. The fact that some people can't wrap their heads around that is the truly astonishing thing.

I'm glad SE isn't going to let people level all of their jobs to 80 by spamming the Skip Cutscene button.

This. People can't seem to see this as the primary reason. None of us care if NG+ quests come with EXP or not, but to outright assume the content will be useless at launch is just asinine. A LOT of us have been asking for a way to replay some of the solo instances since as early as Heavensward. And to people that claim "Durr you can just go the Inn and use the Unending Journey if you want to watch cutscenes", solo instances cannot be played from the Unending Journey and not every cutscene is viewable.

[Ragnar_Gerwulfsson]

I am honestly astonished by how heated this seems to be getting. There's nothing wrong with people asking for exp rewards from NG+. It's it required? No. Is it something we should assume we'll get? No. Should the rewards be identical to what they were before? No probably not. Is NG+ awesome all on its own? Absolutely!

But I don't see how it's such a bad thing to wish for an alternative for leveling outside of roulettes and eternal grinding? I personally love leveling by story far more than by most other ways. I don't even mind the sheer number of quests because I'm enjoying myself. I would cheerfully drag literally every other job I haven't been bothered to level up to 80 if I got to enjoy the story with each one lol! I mean, I'll enjoy the feature regardless, but I can't fault anyone for asking for some form of reward other than getting to see the story again.

Exactly this.

[DevilsDontFly]

I don't think it's a useless addition, and I'll be playing it myself. I do however think it's gonna be "battlecraft leves 2.0". As in: Most people will do it once and then forget it exists, like the majority of the gold saucer stuff. Obviously not everybody, but it'll probably be one of those things that people will eventually erase from their memories but go "Oh, right! That is a thing, huh?" when it's mentioned. Just my guess/opinion though.

[MsQi]

I think it should reward the same Exp it did the first time and nothing else.

[Paladinleeds]

So, there's a thing with offering XP at all. Even inefficient XP. To offer any kind of XP would have people using it instead of queueing for duties etc. This therefore reduces the pool of people in the queue for duties (potentially dragging out the queue further). Now, while there is the "Gotcha" of daily Duty Roulettes and POTD/HoH/whatever Shadowbringers equivalent will be, I think for SE, it's probably easier to not slap rewards on it in the first place. With Mentor Roulette for example, it's basically a glorified duty filler (and I'm not going to say anything more on that else I unleash another firestorm). They've probably considered this in a similar vein.

And to be honest, I think it's a good idea. Either the XP is going to be worthless so as not to be worth it for most people (with perhaps a small percentage more people partaking in it compared to zero XP entirely), or it'll be vastly overpowered that it'll destroy DR queues. I'm not sure a suitable middle ground can be found. No matter what you do, someone's going to be upset about it. While SE have indeed taken the hard-headed "Zero rewards period" approach, I can sympathise with them. You'll never be able to please all people all of the time (I've been a tech support agent for a few pieces of software, and we've turned down feature requests because it's not going to draw a big enough payout of usage for the work involved. Something small like adding an option for a feature that takes all of like 5 lines of code, doesn't need a huge payoff, but something that involves changing core components is a deep task that needs a much bigger payout. With regards to NG+, even considering the spaghetti code, I don't think it needs as huge a payout as say new jobs require. And payout doesn't necessarily just mean people using it. It could be things like good PR also.).

As other people have also alluded to, sometimes you have to do stuff for the niche crowd. Let's take a look at Ultimate for example. Probably took about as much work as NG+ did (considering the spaghetti code). Will likely have about a par of usage to NG+. Some things are meant to appeal to niche crowds. Sometimes it's worth it to put a more niche feature in, because if you provide that niche feature for them, you can also potentially hook them into other content. You can use it as a weapon for marketing basically. So while I can definitely sympathise with the people wanting XP in it, given the situation we have in place, I can also understand SE's viewpoint.

[Liam_Harper]

So, there's a thing with offering XP at all. Even inefficient XP. To offer any kind of XP would have people using it instead of queueing for duties etc. This therefore reduces the pool of people in the queue for duties (potentially dragging out the queue further). Now, while there is the "Gotcha" of daily Duty Roulettes and POTD/HoH/whatever Shadowbringers equivalent will be, I think for SE, it's probably easier to not slap rewards on it in the first place. With Mentor Roulette for example, it's basically a glorified duty filler (and I'm not going to say anything more on that else I unleash another firestorm). They've probably considered this in a similar vein.

The only thing I disgree with there is the idea that other content must not be rewarding because we need to shove people into Duty Finder to fill queues. We can't remove rewards from content purely to shove people into other content. This is already why trusts are so slow and tedious.

Roulettes already offer tomes and much better exp than quests can ever give. If someone chose quests over Duty Finder, it's because they found it more fun. If you force people out of activities they find fun they're more likely to stop playing than anything.
Not saying this applies to New Game+ necessarily, but that if it did apply (that it gave exp, thus people chose to do it over Roulettes to level alts), that the idea of removing the rewards because people enjoyed it too much is flawed.

[Rhus]

Will It reset all the side quests and role quests? if it does I can see why they don't reward xp again as you could just keep reloading and spamming certain side quests and role quests. or is it just selecting a specific quest line from a menu (like the unending journey menu) and running that quest and that quest alone. When you turn the quest in you are taken back to the menu.

Will it reset the environment too? Like if I redo the first quest of Shb will Lakeland still be in light? Would be off if it didn't and it reflects my main scenario progression. They're talking about light and because I've finished the game its dark out lol

[MsQi]

Will It reset all the side quests and role quests? if it does I can see why they don't reward xp again as you could just keep reloading and spamming certain side quests and role quests. or is it just selecting a specific quest line from a menu (like the unending journey menu) and running that quest and that quest alone. When you turn the quest in you are taken back to the menu.

Will it reset the environment too? Like if I redo the first quest of Shb will Lakeland still be in light? Would be off if it didn't and it reflects my main scenario progression. They're talking about light and because I've finished the game its dark out lol

I think it's just MSQ? Is Shadowbringers MSQ even gonna be part of it at first?