Ready for Nier Dark Apocalypse?

[Kaoru_Nagisa]

You can see that they're even joking about how Yoshida-san might be trying to destroy FFXIV by collaborating with Nier. xD Even if the alliance raid is a shoehorn, I'm still looking forward to seeing how they try to make things fit. It may end up being ludicrous but at the same time may also reveal a little more about the world of Nier: Automata.

Now that I think about it, my guess is the raid will take place in the First since some of the elements on Mt Gulg (like the white blocks) reminded me of scenes from Automata.

Considering the possible unlock quest is taken from a dwarf in Tomra and sends you to investigate a "mysterious machina-filled ruin" which you aren't yet allowed in, it's more than likely to take place on the First. The dwarf siblings from that questline can be seen in some of the promotional images they showed of the raid in the LL.

Plus there's so much tongue-in-cheek about it being something grand we need to wait on, if it's anything besides Dark Apocalypse, I'd be very surprised.

[Rhus]

...they really are doomed if they do and doomed if they dont... a Nier-crossover was requested so often that getting one now seems more like them listening to the fanbase rather than them running out of original ideas (like the whole stuff in the current expanion, maybe?)

Just another case of "they cant get it right" - no Nier-crossover: People are asking for one... giving us Nier-crossover: People see this as indication of them being out of ideas...

Well it is. Think Yoshi-P stated (might have been in a LL pre-shb or a Q&A after) that there was so many requests for Nier glam and weapons etc and a crossover they felt hey couldn't do it justice via a normal XV style crossover event so decided to make it a much more meaty thing and give it to the alliance raid instead. Just read the Nier Corssover thread from ages ago (it's probably quite a way back now in the forum history) but people had made entire glam sets for all roles and pod minions and wanted other content like music and good nier based story...that's a lot for a quick crossover. So they done the next best thing due to demand and now we get that, people moan.

But it's not for everyone and we have just had an entire expansion drop with original content in it. So what's an alliance raid that's optional to a few others.

[Daralii]

Considering the possible unlock quest is taken from a dwarf in Tomra and sends you to investigate a "mysterious machina-filled ruin" which you aren't yet allowed in, it's more than likely to take place on the First. The dwarf siblings from that questline can be seen in some of the promotional images they showed of the raid in the LL.

Plus there's so much tongue-in-cheek about it being something grand we need to wait on, if it's anything besides Dark Apocalypse, I'd be very surprised.

One of the Tomra dwarves refers to it as a "Grand and utterly nonsensical adventure", which sounds like something Yoko Taro would say about his work.

[Kaoru_Nagisa]

One of the Tomra dwarves refers to it as a "Grand and utterly nonsensical adventure", which sounds like something Yoko Taro would say about his work.

Yeah - as said, there were so many lines in that quest that just screamed it's likely required for the raid unlock.

[AxHell]

While I didn't like Nier A as much as the first Nier game (Nier > Nier A fite me), it was a great game and I'm excited for this raid. Can't wait to see what our local national japanese treasure madman Yoko Taro has in store for us.

Some of us said they were ready but...are we REALLY ready since it's cannon to Nier's and, to an extent, Drakengard's universe?

[Renato]

My small complaint is, XIV feels like it keeps having Identity Crisis. How about more original stuff from the game itself? Instead of the constant nostalgia blasts.

I agree with this. I really enjoyed how they went about doing things in ARR and HW as far as pulling inspiration from past games. Like Thordan and his knights were literally based off of KotR from FFVII but was given their own story and personalities opposed to just blatently throwing Kefka and Phantom Train along with the other bosses from past games in the raids as themselves. The sad part about it is that a lot of what's original to FFXIV is great. The Bahamut Coils, The White Raven, Emet Selch, Zenos, freaking Estenien...and the stories that surround them are awesome! I even appreciate some of the subtle throwbacks like seeing the Ronkan Gear. Ronkan being an ancient civilzation from FFV. That's how nostalgia should be done...not just throwing Chaos in as a trial boss and going, "OH LOOK IT'S CHAOS FROM FF1!"

But as I stated before everything that is canon, which YDA will be, affects the overall story and lore even if it's a side-quest. Ivalice is now part of Hydaelyn, Time Travel from Alexander, Dimension/world jumping between FF worlds from Omega...and now we know the world of Nier and Drakengard exist somewhere in the First.

I know it's going to happen regardless of some of the hate it's already recieving but all I'm saying is it really didn't have to be a full 24-man raid. It could have easily just been a smaller crossover event.

[Iscah]

But it's not for everyone and we have just had an entire expansion drop with original content in it. So what's an alliance raid that's optional to a few others.

That makes it worse for me. When the majority of the game is built around an original plot and world and then suddenly one section of it is being handed over to being an adaptation of a completely separate game that may have a major impact on the lore of the rest of the story.

There is so many people here taking this way too seriously, don't forget that were playing this game for fun. This raid doesn't effect the main story at all and these raids are optional content, if you don't like it just skip the cutscenes and do the raid just for the gear.

We can't say "this raid doesn't affect the main story at all" until we've done it - and optional content doesn't mean it isn't canon. Non-interactive stories like the "Tales From..." series and the lorebook treat those optional stories as having happened, and we've just been through an expansion that links three of the major 'optional' storylines (CT, Alexander, Omega) back into the MSQ and makes it clear that we canonically did them. The Binding Coil is also heavily MSQ-linked, forming part of Alisaie's story in particular, and I suspect the Warring Triad may be tied back in soon.

So I find it unlikely that this entire raid series will be self-contained and not affect anything outside itself - and for those of us that do obsess over the lore and try to understand how things work and where the story is going, we can't just voluntarily ignore an entire raid series if it does shed light on some part of the story or world history or the nature of how the shards work. The issue is whether the things it reveals are going to be "FFXIV things" or whether it's going to bring in something from Nier and make it inextricably part of FFXIV's world, especially if that happens just because Yoko Taro wants to make a mark on the game rather than because it makes sense.

[jameseoakes]

That makes it worse for me. When the majority of the game is built around an original plot and world and then suddenly one section of it is being handed over to being an adaptation of a completely separate game that may have a major impact on the lore of the rest of the story.





We can't say "this raid doesn't affect the main story at all" until we've done it - and optional content doesn't mean it isn't canon. Non-interactive stories like the "Tales From..." series and the lorebook treat those optional stories as having happened, and we've just been through an expansion that links three of the major 'optional' storylines (CT, Alexander, Omega) back into the MSQ and makes it clear that we canonically did them. The Binding Coil is also heavily MSQ-linked, forming part of Alisaie's story in particular, and I suspect the Warring Triad may be tied back in soon.

So I find it unlikely that this entire raid series will be self-contained and not affect anything outside itself - and for those of us that do obsess over the lore and try to understand how things work and where the story is going, we can't just voluntarily ignore an entire raid series if it does shed light on some part of the story or world history or the nature of how the shards work. The issue is whether the things it reveals are going to be "FFXIV things" or whether it's going to bring in something from Nier and make it inextricably part of FFXIV's world, especially if that happens just because Yoko Taro wants to make a mark on the game rather than because it makes sense.

Thanks for wording things a lot better than I could Iscah and Renato. Yoko seems like a pretty extreme character and I really don't trust that the 14 staff actually have any control over this anymore, at no ponit in any of the coverage I've seen of this have I gotten any impression that the Nier team has any interest in 14 or it's setting and that is about being true to there game.

[SerLuke]

Tbh I wouldn’t mind getting a Chrono Trigger raid if we’re tapping into other franchises

[Daralii]

Thanks for wording things a lot better than I could Iscah and Renato. Yoko seems like a pretty extreme character and I really don't trust that the 14 staff actually have any control over this anymore, at no ponit in any of the coverage I've seen of this have I gotten any impression that the Nier team has any interest in 14 or it's setting and that is about being true to there game.

As he said during the live letter, "Yoshida-san, it's not too late to turn back."