Ready for Nier Dark Apocalypse?

[Iscah]

But it's not for everyone and we have just had an entire expansion drop with original content in it. So what's an alliance raid that's optional to a few others.

That makes it worse for me. When the majority of the game is built around an original plot and world and then suddenly one section of it is being handed over to being an adaptation of a completely separate game that may have a major impact on the lore of the rest of the story.

There is so many people here taking this way too seriously, don't forget that were playing this game for fun. This raid doesn't effect the main story at all and these raids are optional content, if you don't like it just skip the cutscenes and do the raid just for the gear.

We can't say "this raid doesn't affect the main story at all" until we've done it - and optional content doesn't mean it isn't canon. Non-interactive stories like the "Tales From..." series and the lorebook treat those optional stories as having happened, and we've just been through an expansion that links three of the major 'optional' storylines (CT, Alexander, Omega) back into the MSQ and makes it clear that we canonically did them. The Binding Coil is also heavily MSQ-linked, forming part of Alisaie's story in particular, and I suspect the Warring Triad may be tied back in soon.

So I find it unlikely that this entire raid series will be self-contained and not affect anything outside itself - and for those of us that do obsess over the lore and try to understand how things work and where the story is going, we can't just voluntarily ignore an entire raid series if it does shed light on some part of the story or world history or the nature of how the shards work. The issue is whether the things it reveals are going to be "FFXIV things" or whether it's going to bring in something from Nier and make it inextricably part of FFXIV's world, especially if that happens just because Yoko Taro wants to make a mark on the game rather than because it makes sense.

[jameseoakes]

That makes it worse for me. When the majority of the game is built around an original plot and world and then suddenly one section of it is being handed over to being an adaptation of a completely separate game that may have a major impact on the lore of the rest of the story.





We can't say "this raid doesn't affect the main story at all" until we've done it - and optional content doesn't mean it isn't canon. Non-interactive stories like the "Tales From..." series and the lorebook treat those optional stories as having happened, and we've just been through an expansion that links three of the major 'optional' storylines (CT, Alexander, Omega) back into the MSQ and makes it clear that we canonically did them. The Binding Coil is also heavily MSQ-linked, forming part of Alisaie's story in particular, and I suspect the Warring Triad may be tied back in soon.

So I find it unlikely that this entire raid series will be self-contained and not affect anything outside itself - and for those of us that do obsess over the lore and try to understand how things work and where the story is going, we can't just voluntarily ignore an entire raid series if it does shed light on some part of the story or world history or the nature of how the shards work. The issue is whether the things it reveals are going to be "FFXIV things" or whether it's going to bring in something from Nier and make it inextricably part of FFXIV's world, especially if that happens just because Yoko Taro wants to make a mark on the game rather than because it makes sense.

Thanks for wording things a lot better than I could Iscah and Renato. Yoko seems like a pretty extreme character and I really don't trust that the 14 staff actually have any control over this anymore, at no ponit in any of the coverage I've seen of this have I gotten any impression that the Nier team has any interest in 14 or it's setting and that is about being true to there game.

[Daralii]

Thanks for wording things a lot better than I could Iscah and Renato. Yoko seems like a pretty extreme character and I really don't trust that the 14 staff actually have any control over this anymore, at no ponit in any of the coverage I've seen of this have I gotten any impression that the Nier team has any interest in 14 or it's setting and that is about being true to there game.

As he said during the live letter, "Yoshida-san, it's not too late to turn back."

[jameseoakes]

As he said during the live letter, "Yoshida-san, it's not too late to turn back."

It was too late to turn to back when the announced it, not gonna like Toko sound like a horrible person.

[Renato]

As he said during the live letter, "Yoshida-san, it's not too late to turn back."

Wow...That's depressing as hell.

It was too late to turn to back when the announced it, not gonna like Toko sound like a horrible person.

Yeah, from the outside looking in, him and Yoshi seem like polar opposites.

[linay]

The issue is whether the things it reveals are going to be "FFXIV things" or whether it's going to bring in something from Nier and make it inextricably part of FFXIV's world, especially if that happens just because Yoko Taro wants to make a mark on the game rather than because it makes sense.

Anything it reveals in FFXIV will be "FFXIV things" unless it's non-canon stuff like crossover temporary events. It can also be something that is taken from Nier, but that is irrelevant once it happens in Eorzea/Norvrandt.

Here's a question: Has anyone seen anything from this raid that could never happen in the world of FFXIV that already has Omega and all the capability it has shown, not to mention all other magic and technology? I think the answer to that is no.

And speaking of Omega, the origin of it and Midgardsormr could very well have been the plot of a different franchise. But even if it was, it wouldn't have mattered as, when they arrived at Eorzea, they became a part of FFXIV, just like whatever will be in Yorha will be a part of FFXIV.

[jameseoakes]

Anything it reveals in FFXIV will be "FFXIV things" unless it's non-canon stuff like crossover temporary events. It can also be something that is taken from Nier, but that is irrelevant once it happens in Eorzea/Norvrandt.

Here's a question: Has anyone seen anything from this raid that could never happen in the world of FFXIV that already has Omega and all the capability it has shown, not to mention all other magic and technology? I think the answer to that is no.

And speaking of Omega, the origin of it and Midgardsormr could very well have been the plot of a different franchise. But even if it was, it wouldn't have mattered as, when they arrived at Eorzea, they became a part of FFXIV, just like whatever will be in Yorha will be a part of FFXIV.

You've kinda hit on a lot of my issues with this. It's not that they can't be crossed over (though the First seems like a very poor setting for it as it has been built as a more high Fantasy setting) but it looks like the Nier team has no interest in that.

[linay]

You've kinda hit on a lot of my issues with this. It's not that they can't be crossed over (though the First seems like a very poor setting for it as it has been built as a more high Fantasy setting) but it looks like the Nier team has no interest in that.

You keep saying this but I haven't seen any reason to accept your conclusion. Sorry, but you're going to have to show me some evidence of that when they already said that you don't have to play Nier to enjoy Yorha.

[jameseoakes]

You keep saying this but I haven't seen any reason to accept your conclusion. Sorry, but you're going to have to show me some evidence of that when they already said that you don't have to play Nier to enjoy Yorha.

They have said you don't need to play Nier to enjoy the story, which may or may not be true, though given there has been talk of this being some kind of continuity of Nier I find that difficult to follow. My point is that from what I've seen of the Nier team they're not interested in making this fit in the setting we have. This bother me a lot as one of the main reasons I like 14 is for it's setting and plot.

[linay]

My point is that from what I've seen of the Nier team they're not interested in making this fit in the setting we have. This bother me a lot as one of the main reasons I like 14 is for it's setting and plot.

Again, what specifically have you seen?