Yo those QOL for DOH & DOL

[Nabril]

Yes but thats a playstyle difference. Imagine if you could just macro a raid. Absurd as that sounds, You think raiders would be happy with this? Some people enjoy crafting to actually craft and create. If all your crafting can be done by simply pressing 2 buttons with macros, that isnt gameplay anymore for them. If you just want crafting to make money and not play it for gameplay/experience , I am personally more in the mindset that your feelings and position on it take backseat to people who want crafting (and gathering) to be something more akin to a game or interesting to play that engages them.

Then
Don't
Use
Macros
When
You
Craft.

Why do players always insist on removing features they don't like from every player that does like them? Why? I have never understood that.
And no one is suggesting that players macro their raid rotation. This is a discussion about crafting. Please stay on topic.

[Zarkovitch]

Little bit of an off topic (kinda) but what AA changes?

Back in days, when you where looking away or turn 180° on a add you couldn't auto attack him even targeted.

[Callinon]

Imagine if you could just macro a raid.

Holy false equivalence, Batman!

[TaleraRistain]

I think there's room for both. Keep the ability to macro in basic crafts. Even starred things. But for things like Ishgard Restoration or other "crafting mission" type things, put in the sort of events that a macro wouldn't be able to respond to.

EQII had a great system for this where you had to respond to events that happened while you crafted with the right ability. Unfortunately there were only 3 each for progress and quality, but FF could definitely borrow this and expand on it.

And I'm looking forward to the DoL changes, but wishing that fishing would get some love already to bring it into line with MIN and BTN, especially the in-game UI.

[NanaWiloh]

I was thinking more like the Excellent/Good/Poor events, except with things like (off the top of my head) "quality increasing actions cost double CP with half efficiency but all other actions cost no CP and no durability", or "the next Standard Touch within 3 turns will cost 0 CP and 0 durability and extend all active buffs by 3 more turns, failing to use Standard Touch within 3 turns will cause -50% efficiency to all quality-increasing actions for the next 5 turns".

Extremely easy to respond to with no downsides whatsoever. Make them only appear for starred products (not intermediate materials) if you want.

None of that button smashing stuff.

Your idea's punish and force people to use certain actions. Thats not interesting at all it does not show that you know the crafting system you just described a simon says do this or get punished for it type system no thank you. Crafting is already punishing enough if you dont understand it or cant figure the math behind it lets not make that worse. With the amount of rng crafting has forcing people to do a certain action at the wrong time will cause more harm then good..

[KageTokage]

Crafting is in an awkward spot where it's hard to put any actual "skill" into it.

Which is why I doubt the rankings for the Ishgard Restoration are going to be very entertaining at all since it's likely either going a straight grind of spamming collectable turn-ins that the botters win by default or turning in a limited number of items with the highest collectability rating possible which is biased towards the rich people with maxed overmelds and is still abusable by botters who can just spam crafts on loop until they get a craft with multiple excellent procs.

[CookiesNCreams]

Your idea's punish and force people to use certain actions. Thats not interesting at all it does not show that you know the crafting system you just described a simon says do this or get punished for it type system no thank you. Crafting is already punishing enough if you dont understand it or cant figure the math behind it lets not make that worse. With the amount of rng crafting has forcing people to do a certain action at the wrong time will cause more harm then good..

See, this is the problem with new FFXIV crafters compared to the old 2.x and 3.x crafters. I’m sorry, but if you think crafting is currently “punishing” as it is, then I just think you shouldn’t be crafting. I’m not good at hardcore raiding, I don’t whine to developers to make it more accessible or want “QoL changes” which, just make it more noob-friendly. I just accept I’m not good at it. What’s wrong with accepting you’re not good at something?

I just don’t understand the need to complain to developers about an aspect of the game that you’re not good at, no matter how easy they make it. At that point, you’re asking for hand outs.

[NanaWiloh]

See, this is the problem with new FFXIV crafters compared to the old 2.x and 3.x crafters. I’m sorry, but if you think crafting is currently “punishing” as it is, then I just think you shouldn’t be crafting. I’m not good at hardcore raiding, I don’t whine to developers to make it more accessible or want “QoL changes” which, just make it more noob-friendly. I just accept I’m not good at it. What’s wrong with accepting you’re not good at something?

I just don’t understand the need to complain to developers about an aspect of the game that you’re not good at, no matter how easy they make it. At that point, you’re asking for hand outs.

Read the post I was replying to please. Think about what their suggesting and what would happen if you FORCED to hit a action you dont need and that action botches your craft. Then if you dont hit said action it botches it by punishing you for not using said action. As for my struggles with crafting I am using a very solid if not OP rotation I can craft a HQ level 80 item at 77 every time without fail I think I am good. I also never asked for it too be eaiser but putting a system that screws people is not how you make things harder or more interesting.

[AduroT]

Hey, sorry, where do I find the list of changes being referenced here?

[NanaWiloh]

Hey, sorry, where do I find the list of changes being referenced here?

Was discussed in the most recent live letter. Not sure if there is a post up about it yet..