Yo those QOL for DOH & DOL

[Nabril]

Dynamic events with penalties to Quality. Macros cannot react to events and hence it can be tuned such that a human player can easily respond to those events for 100% HQ while macros mostly end up with low HQ percentages.

So you do what it to be like a raid boss. Do macros bother you that much? It wouldn't make crafting more "interesting" or exciting- it would simply make it more tedious and expensive each time you responded incorrectly before a timer ran out. Unless you had a single second to respond to each new "crisis", it still wouldn't be complicated. It would only be to ban macros (which you insisted wasn't your goal, but obviously is).

Hell, if you want fun and complicated, add algebra into the equation. Make us do quick math in our heads. Yes, before you ask, I actually WOULD enjoy that.

[Zfz]

So you do what it to be like a raid boss.

Calm down. Dynamic events doesn't mean raid boss. It can be very simple events that just require some familiarity with your crafting actions so you choose the right response.

I don't understand why you're even talking about timer running out. Crafting is turn based. Why are you even talking about seconds and timers?

[Nabril]

Calm down. Dynamic events doesn't mean raid boss. It can be very simple events that just require some familiarity with your crafting actions so you choose the right response.

I don't understand why you're even talking about timer running out. Crafting is turn based. Why are you even talking about seconds and timers?

I'm not getting worked up- you are. You are proposing a system that would only change one thing in the crafting game- the ability to use macros. You admitted in two posts that you're not trying to make it more complicated so your focus is 100% percent on stopping players from using macros. Why? Why does it bother you so much how I play my game when sitting at my computer that I built? I earn the money that pays the bills, I pay my subscription fee, our characters have never met, yet somehow, you seem filled with disappointment about how I do my crafting. I'm confused as to why?

I'm going to answer a question you asked another player- Don't I want my crafting to be more exciting? No. I don't. When I want excitement, I change to Black Mage and do some raids. Casting while standing still at the same time avoiding AoEs? Now THAT is exciting! Crafting is fine. I will continue to use my macros.

[Zfz]

You are proposing a system that would only change one thing in the crafting game- the ability to use macros. You admitted in two posts that you're not trying to make it more complicated so your focus is 100% percent on stopping players from using macros. Why? Why does it bother you so much how I play my game when sitting at my computer that I built? I earn the money that pays the bills, I pay my subscription fee, our characters have never met, yet somehow, you seem filled with disappointment about how I do my crafting. I'm confused as to why?

Firstly, I'm talking strictly about end-game items, the very newest stuff that comes out. Not leveling, not weekly scrips, none of that. Anyone who's leveled crafting knows that once we overgear something, there's a lot of room to easily HQ something with very simple and short macros.

I'm not trying to make it complicated, I'm trying to make it more interesting than "push one button and watch Netflix for 30 seconds."

It doesn't bother me how you play your game. I don't care how you play. I'm just expressing what I hope to see in this game. It's not directed at controlling what other people do.

More engaged and interesting crafting is something that has popped up before. If you want less interesting crafting that can be done with just macros, that's fine. Just express it. You don't have to try framing me as someone who's trying to control how other people play their games.

I'm going to answer a question you asked another player- Don't I want my crafting to be more exciting? No. I don't.

And no, I didn't ask if people want more exciting crafting. I said more "interesting" crafting. If you can't tell the difference bewteen the two words, then I guess this whole back-and-forth exchange has been a waste of time. For both of us.

[Nyvara]

Dynamic events with penalties to Quality. Macros cannot react to events and hence it can be tuned such that a human player can easily respond to those events for 100% HQ while macros mostly end up with low HQ percentages.

Oh god I can see it now. You're doing carpentry you get a message "Your Tie has been caught in the band saw! Tap space repeatedly to escape!"

[Zfz]

Oh god I can see it now. You're doing carpentry you get a message "Your Tie has been caught in the band saw! Tap space repeatedly to escape!"

I was thinking more like the Excellent/Good/Poor events, except with things like (off the top of my head) "quality increasing actions cost double CP with half efficiency but all other actions cost no CP and no durability", or "the next Standard Touch within 3 turns will cost 0 CP and 0 durability and extend all active buffs by 3 more turns, failing to use Standard Touch within 3 turns will cause -50% efficiency to all quality-increasing actions for the next 5 turns".

Extremely easy to respond to with no downsides whatsoever. Make them only appear for starred products (not intermediate materials) if you want.

None of that button smashing stuff.

[Lunavi]

I was thinking more like the Excellent/Good/Poor events, except with things like (off the top of my head) "quality increasing actions cost double CP with half efficiency but all other actions cost no CP and no durability", or "the next Standard Touch within 3 turns will cost 0 CP and 0 durability and extend all active buffs by 3 more turns, failing to use Standard Touch within 3 turns will cause -50% efficiency to all quality-increasing actions for the next 5 turns".

Extremely easy to respond to with no downsides whatsoever. Make them only appear for starred products (not intermediate materials) if you want.

None of that button smashing stuff.

I really must say that I like this suggestion. Would be sweet if it didn't affect durability in any way shape or form though to allow for macros to exist for Netflix crafters but being highly inferior to manual crafting to the point where reaching 100% is almost impossible.

[Melichoir]

It second best thing happening on QOL right after Auto Attack changes.

Little bit of an off topic (kinda) but what AA changes?

[Nabril]

And no, I didn't ask if people want more exciting crafting. I said more "interesting" crafting. If you can't tell the difference bewteen the two words, then I guess this whole back-and-forth exchange has been a waste of time. For both of us.

So interesting means that you cant use macros then?

I don't care what word you use. Exciting, Interesting, fun, complicated- none of that interests me. Nothing that takes away my macros for the sole purpose of taking away my macros interests me in the slightest. If I want interesting, I'll do raids.

P.S. --> Well, unless you want to incorporate complex math equations. That would be fun. For me... but most other players would not enjoy that so it's not a good idea.

P.P.S. - The only reason I really don't like your idea is that there would be no problem solving if they did it your way. there would be no puzzle- no riddle- no math to solve. It would be akin to "push the blue button- now push the red button... etc." It wouldn't be interesting and after your third craft, you'll have seen it all and it won't be interesting- it'll be tedious. It'll be tedious because you're just reacting without the ability to use macros. It would once again be uber boring- so yes, removing macros would be the only result of this because there would never be a "decision" that the players haven't already seen. You would make it worse.

[Melichoir]

So interesting means that you cant use macros then?

I don't care what word you use. Exciting, Interesting, fun, complicated- none of that interests me. Nothing that takes away my macros for the sole purpose of taking away my macros interests me in the slightest. If I want interesting, I'll do raids.

P.S. --> Well, unless you want to incorporate complex math equations. That would be fun. For me... but most other players would not enjoy that so it's not a good idea.

Yes but thats a playstyle difference. Imagine if you could just macro a raid. Absurd as that sounds, You think raiders would be happy with this? Some people enjoy crafting to actually craft and create. If all your crafting can be done by simply pressing 2 buttons with macros, that isnt gameplay anymore for them. If you just want crafting to make money and not play it for gameplay/experience , I am personally more in the mindset that your feelings and position on it take backseat to people who want crafting (and gathering) to be something more akin to a game or interesting to play that engages them.