So, can we just ban damage meters already.

[LalaRu]

I 'd be perfectly fine with a stone/sky/sea

Requiring to pass its SSS before unlocking the actual duty, will be something interesting to look forward at.

[Liam_Harper]

Requiring to pass its SSS before unlocking the actual duty, will be something interesting to look forward at.

They'd never do it. It'd be WoW with Proving Ground Silver all over again, some players would actually never beat it and would quit over it. Rather than improve or admit to any fault, we'd have walls of threads about how overtuned it is. Even now people claim SSS is overtuned, while I'm 40 sec or so left on the timer for EX and consider myself a fairly average player with a lot to improve on in actual fights. Or those players who rant about groups with ilv requirements over the minimum when the game is raining 450 on you and they can't be bother to put minimal effort into a character before joining an endgame content group.

It's a sad fact that MMO's are intentionally designed that the good players carry the bad ones who can't be bothered, so they happily keep paying a sub.

[wdeschain]

Even now people claim SSS is overtuned,

It is job dependent, but SSS is and has been overtuned. Google "are ffxiv SSS dummies overtuned," and it will return plenty of posts--some with SE admittance(source citations peppered about even).

[Makeda]

It is job dependent, but SSS is and has been overtuned. Google "are ffxiv SSS dummies overtuned," and it will return plenty of posts--some with SE admittance(source citations peppered about even).

This is because, for the DPS dummies at least, SE doesn’t factor healer DPS into boss clearing but the community does.
- The community actually expects less from the DPS than SE does, with the community expecting healers and tanks to cover the gap.
I think SE does factor tank DPS in, but before ShB factored it in without accounting for stance dancing... So while they now gave in to community expectations for tanks, sort of, they have hardened down on healers with a stronger intent towards “pure healing” leading their DPS dummies to be more demanding as they’re expecting 2 of the 8 people to be doing 0 DPS...

[MPK]

This is because, for the DPS dummies at least, SE doesn’t factor healer DPS into boss clearing but the community does.
- The community actually expects less from the DPS than SE does, with the community expecting healers and tanks to cover the gap.
I think SE does factor tank DPS in, but before ShB factored it in without accounting for stance dancing... So while they now gave in to community expectations for tanks, sort of, they have hardened down on healers with a stronger intent towards “pure healing” leading their DPS dummies to be more demanding as they’re expecting 2 of the 8 people to be doing 0 DPS...

Troll post. Even with everyone doing the most optimized dps, it wouldn't be possible forgot an e4s clear with healers doing 0 DPS. 75.3k min raid dps would require every DPS to deal over 15k and have tanks do 7.5k. Trying a little too hard with the pure healing jab

[Liam_Harper]

As long as savage content is tuned for the expert, not casual, people, I find it appropriate to have a test, like SSS, mandatory for the unlock. Yes I agree someone doesn't understand what savage is, and will whine in forum because their casual play doesn't let them pass.

Ah, you're talking Savage. Fully agree with that. In fact it might even serve as a barrier to keep the unprepared player from wandering in there without realizing.

It is job dependent, but SSS is and has been overtuned. Google "are ffxiv SSS dummies overtuned," and it will return plenty of posts--some with SE admittance(source citations peppered about even).

This is exactly what I mean. The dummies are perfectly fine, yet rather than admit to any faults even when presented with clear proof like other players beating these dummies, players will claim "overtuned" and refuse to learn to improve.

It varies a little, but SSS is tuned very well this expansion. I'd bet half the players claiming it's overtuned have no idea what weaving or clipping is, miss positionals, don't bother to meld, undervalue the important of DoTs or min-max abilities and so on, yet are convinced "my rotation is perfect!" and turn to excuses like "see someone else said it's too hard!".
EX is minimum 430 ilv, but that assumes you're raid prepared, melded, food, perfect rotation. It's endgame and SSS will test the same. If you can't be bothered to do that, it gets easier with gear. At 445+ you can blast through SSS with 20-30+ sec left on the clock. I have on every class I play and I'm fairly mid-average.

Honestly if you can't beat SSS it's all on you and you have no business in that content.

[SleepyNeko]

Ah, you're talking Savage. Fully agree with that. In fact it might even serve as a barrier to keep the unprepared player from wandering in there without realizing.



This is exactly what I mean. The dummies are perfectly fine, yet rather than admit to any faults even when presented with clear proof like other players beating these dummies, players will claim "overtuned" and refuse to learn to improve.

It varies a little, but SSS is tuned very well this expansion. I'd bet half the players claiming it's overtuned have no idea what weaving or clipping is, miss positionals, don't bother to meld, undervalue the important of DoTs or min-max abilities and so on, yet are convinced "my rotation is perfect!" and turn to excuses like "see someone else said it's too hard!".
EX is minimum 430 ilv, but that assumes you're raid prepared, melded, food, perfect rotation. It's endgame and SSS will test the same. If you can't be bothered to do that, it gets easier with gear. At 445+ you can blast through SSS with 20-30+ sec left on the clock. I have on every class I play and I'm fairly mid-average.

Honestly if you can't beat SSS it's all on you and you have no business in that content.

I agree that SSS can be used as a lockout for savage but it needs to be tuned properly. SSS is overtuned for certain classes because they have different HP values for different classes. I remember trying to clear GNB's SSS for Inno Ex with max gear (prior to savage release) and it was always short by 2-3 seconds. But on my MNK with like 440 gear I had like 15 sec to spare.

[Coatl]

It varies a little, but SSS is tuned very well this expansion. I'd bet half the players claiming it's overtuned have no idea what weaving or clipping is, miss positionals, don't bother to meld, undervalue the important of DoTs or min-max abilities and so on, yet are convinced "my rotation is perfect!" and turn to excuses like "see someone else said it's too hard!".
EX is minimum 430 ilv, but that assumes you're raid prepared, melded, food, perfect rotation. It's endgame and SSS will test the same. If you can't be bothered to do that, it gets easier with gear. At 445+ you can blast through SSS with 20-30+ sec left on the clock. I have on every class I play and I'm fairly mid-average.

Honestly if you can't beat SSS it's all on you and you have no business in that content.

My GNB friend couldn't clear the SSS dummy until AFTER he obtained the titan gunblade. He got a 95+ percentile on his titan clear. For some classes, it's extremely overtuned.

[LalaRu]

My GNB friend...

I stopped reading there. Stop making the paladin for someone else. Your friend/cousin/cat have forum access and can get here to complain.

[HyoMinPark]

I stopped reading there. Stop making the paladin for someone else. Your friend/cousin/cat have forum access and can get here to complain.

Not if they’re one of the many users that have been banned from this platform. This is a silly reason to disregard an argument. Almost as silly and bumping this thread to provide a not-so-witty comeback against a ~2-week-old statement.