So, can we just ban damage meters already.

[Avidria]

Agreed that this is FFXIV, but many of us with objections to openly allowing parsers have those objections because of our WoW experience. I have yet to encounter any toxic behavior in the duty finder, and I'm inclined to credit the lack of parsers as well as diligent moderation for this. I don't know what else could account for it. You're arguing that parsers make everything better, but those of us who come from WoW know for a fact that the opposite is the case. It's silly to disregard experience from a different MMO for the same feature just because it was a different MMO.

The current don't-ask-don't-tell policy is optimal. Those who want to use parsers properly to improve their own performance can do so. Those who want to misuse parsers to belittle other players are prevented from doing so. Don't fix what's not broken.

See, I don't agree. I played WoW for more than a decade, and I dabbled in raiding (very very casually) BC through WoD and then did a bit of mythic in Legion. And I *loved* having a damage meter.

I loved instantly being able to see how well I was doing compared to where someone with my gear could be - loved having an easy way to see if I was doing something wrong. And you know what, yes, I also liked being able to see when someone in my party was doing something wrong too. Sometimes the wrong was very wrong - I'm talking auto attacking Hunter in a level 80 dungeon wrong, or healer doing zero dispels in a debuff heavy raid wrong here. I saw both of those more than once. I saw some downright baffling things, actually, but I only ever called out the serious problems (and yes I consider afk auto attacking for an entire dungeon to be a serious problem).

Were some people jerks? Absolutely. Did people abuse it? Yeah, that and a whole lot of other things about the game/other add-ons. That happens when you've got thousands of people equipped with the shield of anonymity in a random player queue. I will say, my personal favorite were people spamming meters in low level dungeon... That type of thing was honestly nothing but hilarious and sad.

The only time I saw people getting a big boot for low damage was after LFR wipes... and a lot of times low meant *really freaking low.*

Vast majority of groups though, it either never got mentioned or somebody would ask for a meter link to see how they were doing. This is wild for me to say considering how I feel about Blizz and WoW lately (read: not good), but for this particular topic? I prefer Blizzard's way of handling it.

[Ronduwil]

See, I don't agree. I played WoW for more than a decade, and I dabbled in raiding (very very casually) BC through WoD and then did a bit of mythic in Legion. And I *loved* having a damage meter.

Who says we don't agree? I loved having a damage meter, too. What I didn't love was running through random on-level Deadmines with a jerk decked out in heirlooms spamming the meters after every boss fight and complaining about how he's carrying the group through all 20 seconds of it. Maybe it's because I love to level alts, but that wasn't a one-off experience. I saw it all the time. I'm just saying that the current don't-ask-don't-tell policy is just fine. If you want to have your damage meter, you can have it, but don't advertise it unless it's with your FC in Discord.