Lack of End Game Content

[linay]

Yes because its specifically content that is challenging and cannot be done below max level.

Unlike Satasha.

Ahaha, moving the goalpost, so now you want it to have difficulty involved.

By the way, you can't get current tomestones running Sastasha not on a max level job either. Sastasha itself isn't endgame content, but it is involved in endgame content as that is how FFXIV works to make use of older content. (And this part actually has something to do with my response to Millybonk.)

[Avraym]

Ahaha, moving the goalpost, so now you want it to have difficulty involved.

By the way, you can't get current tomestones running Sastasha not on a max level job either. Sastasha itself isn't endgame content, but it is involved in endgame content as that is how FFXIV works to make use of older content. (And this part actually has something to do with my response to Millybonk.)

Not moving the goalpost. My stance was always clear.

You can't paint all end game content by the same brush either, nor can you do the same with casual content.

There is end game content that doesn't offer much of a challenge, like the casual raids, but i'd still consider it end game content.

Fun fact, the leveling roulette isn't also exclusively for max level either, the XP reward actually encourages it to be just the opposite.

[linay]

Not moving the goalpost. My stance was always clear.

You can't paint all end game content by the same brush either, nor can you do the same with casual content.

There is end game content that doesn't offer much of a challenge, like the casual raids, but i'd still consider it end game content.

Fun fact, the leveling roulette isn't also exclusively for max level either, the XP reward actually encourages it to be just the opposite.

Ok, so this might be more appropriate to the other thread about how MMORPG has changed. But even though it's the same content, it gives you different reward when you do it on a leveling job vs a max level job. You might think that disqualifies it from being endgame content, but it doesn't change the fact that it is how it's used for max level job in this game.

[Zabuza]

So status report. Before the first week was over, I cleared turns 1-3 with pug groups. That is now on farm status. I expect to beat e4s before this week is over. Are you really telling me this is fine? That the one piece of content I will get in 6 months, I will have already beaten all of it after 2 weeks, when it used to take top groups 3 weeks to beat the entirety of savage? Now me, with my pug groups, can beat it in 2 weeks. The only piece of content that raiders enjoy is so easily beatable. If you really think this is okay, you're delusional.

P.S. I haven't been no lifeing it. I've been going to my full time job...

[linay]

So status report. Before the first week was over, I cleared turns 1-3 with pug groups. That is now on farm status. I expect to beat e4s before this week is over. Are you really telling me this is fine? That the one piece of content I will get in 6 months, I will have already beaten all of it after 2 weeks, when it used to take top groups 3 weeks to beat the entirety of savage? Now me, with my pug groups, can beat it in 2 weeks. The only piece of content that raiders enjoy is so easily beatable. If you really think this is okay, you're delusional.

Well, if enough people keep subscribing, then they're voting with their wallet to say that it is okay.

Grats, by the way.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

So status report. Before the first week was over, I cleared turns 1-3 with pug groups. That is now on farm status. I expect to beat e4s before this week is over. Are you really telling me this is fine? That the one piece of content I will get in 6 months, I will have already beaten all of it after 2 weeks, when it used to take top groups 3 weeks to beat the entirety of savage? Now me, with my pug groups, can beat it in 2 weeks. The only piece of content that raiders enjoy is so easily beatable. If you really think this is okay, you're delusional.

P.S. I haven't been no lifeing it. I've been going to my full time job...

I would imagine you are in the few % that lucky to clear that quickly, even more so with pugs. My groups still working on e2s, but we only get about 2 nights a week, for a couple hours.

You'll get an ultimate in 3 months. You can always go back and do previous ultimates, or try synced/min ilvl previous tiers. Just because they aren't max level doesn't mean they aren't still a challenge. Hell, if you are really brave, do 2nd coil savage min ilvl.

[Avraym]

So status report. Before the first week was over, I cleared turns 1-3 with pug groups. That is now on farm status. I expect to beat e4s before this week is over. Are you really telling me this is fine? That the one piece of content I will get in 6 months, I will have already beaten all of it after 2 weeks, when it used to take top groups 3 weeks to beat the entirety of savage? Now me, with my pug groups, can beat it in 2 weeks. The only piece of content that raiders enjoy is so easily beatable. If you really think this is okay, you're delusional.

P.S. I haven't been no lifeing it. I've been going to my full time job...

I sympathise with you - I really do.

I'm almost at the same point with Eden, exclusively with PUGS.

It doesn't feel great to be at the end so quickly with no new end game for months to come.

[Zabuza]

I sympathise with you - I really do.

I'm almost at the same point with Eden, exclusively with PUGS.

It doesn't feel great to be at the end so quickly.

Or just some other type of content to go with it. Or a higher difficulty on the savage. Or 1-2 more savage fights added per tier. Anything really...

[Avraym]

Or just some other type of content to go with it. Or a higher difficulty on the savage. Or 1-2 more savage fights added per tier. Anything really...

4 Savages really isn't much of a raid compared to most MMO standards. Even if you include the extremes.

5-6 Savages feel like the right amount we should get for a game this developed.

[Lunafreya]

So status report. Before the first week was over, I cleared turns 1-3 with pug groups. That is now on farm status. I expect to beat e4s before this week is over. Are you really telling me this is fine? That the one piece of content I will get in 6 months, I will have already beaten all of it after 2 weeks, when it used to take top groups 3 weeks to beat the entirety of savage? Now me, with my pug groups, can beat it in 2 weeks. The only piece of content that raiders enjoy is so easily beatable. If you really think this is okay, you're delusional.

P.S. I haven't been no lifeing it. I've been going to my full time job...

So you got lucky with pugs and you claim that's going to happen for many people? Haha my guy there are people in pf that can't grasp simple mechanics and can't even hold their own in a fight. But obviously you are so great and better than everyone else so it is not fine for you to clear that fast. Look, I cleared the ENTIRETY of sigmascape in pugs but were they good pugs? They were better than my static at the time... sure but they were still wiping the group tons. I semi quit raiding next tier because I was bored and busy with real life. I didn't care one bit for Alphascape savage but I did do O9S and people were wiping that insanely easy fight. You have gotten 3 turns down in a week which is very possible if you spend lots of time trying to learn and that is CLEARLY what you have done. Sure, go beat E4S and then claim there is no challenging endgame content when you haven't killed both ultimates yet. AGAIN, IT IS NOT EASILY BEATABLE. You seriously just got lucky. I can't find a party worth a damn to even clear the first turn this tier yet but I expect that cause it is a pick up group by definition and I have been in 2 hours at most.

PS: You dont speak for the entirety of players here just cause you got lucky groups. More endgame content would be nice but for people that want challenging content there is ultimate. And I mean actual Ultimate clears... not using voice call outs for the mechanics via a bot like players have done to trivialize it. Also, I can't stress this enough. If you are bored with the monotonous cycle where gear is useless in 3 months then why are you hurting yourself and then unsubbing before doing it over again. You clearly dont enjoy it so why even play at all at that point?