Lack of End Game Content

[linay]

While Sastasha doesn't go to waste thanks to being included in the duty roulettes, it doesn't magically make it endgame content either.

Indirectly it is if you're getting rewarded specifically for running it via roulette on a max level job. And specifically for leveling and alliance raid contents, even without running them with a max level job, they give adventurers in need rewards that benefit max level jobs. But yes, the main point is that all these instanced contents are getting used. Whether or not they're endgame or whether or not any particular player is interested in doing them, they serve a purpose both while leveling and at max level.

As for difficulty and variety, I have not much comment to make other than the fact that I'm not against having more of either or both for contents. That said, I don't think NG+ would do anything in regard to this as it's more about replaying old content, which is the opposite of what some people want based on this thread. We don't even know if NG+ will give exp if you still need it or if it will scale with your level if you're doing it on a higher level job. It might give no exp and not scale up, thus making the fights too easy and serve only for people to experience the story if they skipped it or redo it if they enjoyed it that much.

[linay]

Sorry, I did not see this earlier.

What should I call this mode of argumentation you're using here?

Maybe read it again:

There is nothing to argue in that regard

The point is if you feel you have no more use for those contents, then I won't argue with you on that.

I gave you specifics about

• How limited lvl 80 content is: 3 lvl 80 dungeons, 3 trials up to lvl 80, 1 raid, Ex/savage
• How every non-ShB instance is only relevant due to the tomestones slapped on top of roulettes - and if you don't need those tomestone or a capped for the week all those roulettes + its pool of instanced content becomes instantly obsolete

and you're like "Every player has to decide if there's anything to do" while tunnel-visioning on leveling roulette.

Are you afraid of facts?

Those facts are irrelevant to what my actual argument was. Leveling roulette was just an example. The tunnel visioning happens when you think content is wasted because it's obsolete for you. As long as it can be used by someone, it's not wasted. It's certainly not wasted on me. Being relevant only due to tomestone still makes it relevant.

[Avraym]

What should I call this mode of argumentation you're using here?

I gave you specifics about

• How limited lvl 80 content is: 3 lvl 80 dungeons, 3 trials up to lvl 80, 1 raid, Ex/savage
• How every non-ShB instance is only relevant due to the tomestones slapped on top of roulettes - and if you don't need those tomestone or a capped for the week all those roulettes + its pool of instanced content becomes instantly obsolete

and you're like "Every player has to decide if there's anything to do" while tunnel-visioning on leveling roulette.

Are you afraid of facts?

You layed it out quite simply. Unfortunately there's no speaking reason to someone who still considers doing Satasha at max level "End Game" content, simply because they are doing it through leveling roulette.

[linay]

So, this has nothing to do with my response to Millybonk, but just to address it:

You layed it out quite simply. Unfortunately there's no speaking reason to someone who still considers doing Satasha at max level "End Game" content, simply because they are doing it through leveling roulette.

Strange, considering it fits even the narrower definition of endgame presented in this thread: done on a level cap job. It even works toward your endgame/level cap progression in terms of gear.

So just to clarify: A character in FFXIV can run a level 15 dungeon on a max level job and be rewarded for progression toward a max level gear that will be among the best in the entire raid tier.

That's just how the game of FFXIV works. You don't have to like it or agree with it, but if you can't even acknowledge it, then it's clear you don't understand this game (and by extension, how endgame works in this game).

[Kaylessa]

Strange, considering it fits even the narrower definition of endgame presented in this thread: done on a level cap job.

Nope. Endgame content has never been, and never will be, content you choose to do at level cap. It is content that requires you to be at level cap. It is content that is restricted to max level. You're changing the definition once again to fit an agenda. New rewards for leveling content doesn't make that content endgame content.

EDIT: Farming for BIS gear can be an endgame activity, but the content run to farm for that gear may not be endgame content. Running Sastasha? Definitely not endgame content no matter what you're farming. Are you seriously suggesting running a level 20 dungeon is endgame content?

[Avraym]

Nope. Endgame content has never been, and never will be, content you choose to do at level cap. It is content that requires you to be at level cap. It is content that is restricted to max level. You're changing the definition once again to fit an agenda. New rewards for leveling content doesn't make that content endgame content.

EDIT: Farming for BIS gear can be an endgame activity, but the content run to farm for that gear may not be endgame content. Running Sastasha? Definitely not endgame content no matter what you're farming. Are you seriously suggesting running a level 20 dungeon is endgame content?

He is. Is it still considered end game content if you don't need the tomes I wonder???

[linay]

Nope. Endgame content has never been, and never will be, content you choose to do at level cap. It is content that requires you to be at level cap. It is content that is restricted to max level. You're changing the definition once again to fit an agenda. New rewards for leveling content doesn't make that content endgame content.

EDIT: Farming for BIS gear can be an endgame activity, but the content run to farm for that gear may not be endgame content. Running Sastasha? Definitely not endgame content no matter what you're farming. Are you seriously suggesting running a level 20 dungeon is endgame content?

Endgame content is activity you do for endgame. So it's endgame activity, but it's not endgame content? And I didn't say Sastasha itself was endgame content, but indirectly it becomes endgame content due to how FFXIV does its endgame activity.

This is why your definition for endgame from other MMORPG doesn't work when applied to FFXIV as is without recognizing how the game works.

[linay]

He is. Is it still considered end game content if you don't need the tomes I wonder???

Is it still endgame content if you don't need the gear from the raid I wonder.

[Avraym]

Is it still endgame content if you don't need the gear from the raid I wonder.

Yes because its specifically content that is one of the most currently challenging and cannot be done below max level.

Core ingredients of what most consider end game.

Unlike Satasha.

[linay]

Yes because its specifically content that is challenging and cannot be done below max level.

Unlike Satasha.

Ahaha, moving the goalpost, so now you want it to have difficulty involved.

By the way, you can't get current tomestones running Sastasha not on a max level job either. Sastasha itself isn't endgame content, but it is involved in endgame content as that is how FFXIV works to make use of older content. (And this part actually has something to do with my response to Millybonk.)