Lack of End Game Content

[BlitzAceRush]

It works for you. Not for me. There is literally no MMORPG that works for me at the moment. Great for you, you don't feel the need to complain or try to make this game better because you were lucky enough to have a game that you enjoy. You don't need to complain, obviously. Maybe I should learn to deal with it? Wtf do you think I have been doing for the last 4 years? How much of this time do you think I've spent unsubbed? How long do you think I've waited for the MMORPG that scratches my itch? The one I've not had since FFXI, that was destroyed by the casual community and their entry into this space. Now you want to silence me after your community had destroyed the entire genre that I enjoyed.

The issue here is this isn't even about 14 anymore, you have an issue with MMO's in general and despite there being others far closer to what you want (not exactly obviously) you've decided to make 14 your battleground.
You keep meshing two arguments into one, you want 14 to have more content you like but also claim MMO's have been "ruined" by "casuals" and keep using one to try and argue the other.
You also keep using the argument that the game would be "better" if it gives you what you want, yet the game has continued to grow, make more money and get bigger since its relaunch, everything you say is being proven false by the game, and all your evidence is "I bet there's!" "Imagine how many!" "I'm sure there's!" The clear rates for the hard content have always been low, this isn't something new, you're in the minority and you get content, it isn't enough for you, but it's as much as the devs feel they can provide without detracting from their content scheduled and they have added to the formula with Ultimate.

A lot of people from both sides agree this shouldn't be an us Vs them debate but you keep making it one with your attitude that "casuals" somehow "owe" you because they "ruined" the genre for you and so they should give up content for you.
The sad part is a lot of us wouldn't mind you getting more content but we also understand that it comes at a price and with the ratio of people who'd do it Vs those who'd do easier content is a tough sell and likely you'll never get much more than perhaps a BA like bit of content thrown in.

You've picked one of the worst MMO's for your battle yet are convinced those who are happy owe you because you're not happy and it's their fault.
MMO's changed because this is what the majority want, if you aren't happy with 14 after 6 years you either need to reevaluate how you enjoy the game or take Yoshi's advice and seek what you want else where and if no MMO is to your liking at all then I'm sorry and that sucks but that's very much a you problem. There are several and they all play differently, hell, Classic WoW is on the way, perhaps if you like MMO's of old that'll hopefully be to your liking.

[Ibkee]

It works for you. Not for me. There is literally no MMORPG that works for me at the moment. Great for you, you don't feel the need to complain or try to make this game better because you were lucky enough to have a game that you enjoy. You don't need to complain, obviously. Maybe I should learn to deal with it? Wtf do you think I have been doing for the last 4 years? How much of this time do you think I've spent unsubbed? How long do you think I've waited for the MMORPG that scratches my itch? The one I've not had since FFXI, that was destroyed by the casual community and their entry into this space. Now you want to silence me after your community had destroyed the entire genre that I enjoyed.

The elitism here is staggering.

You begrudge others enjoying FFXIV being the way it was designed and bemoan the lack of games that scratch your own itch in one of the most self-centered rants I've seen. Such hatred and vitriol towards people for liking stuff you don't is unhealthy.

Let's take a step back here, why don't you play FFXI? It's still alive after all. Retail still ticks along and there are private servers if you want the HNM/Sky/Limbus/Dynamis/ToAU stuff experience at 75. WoW Classic is coming in a few weeks, maybe that will scratch your itch?

[Zabuza]

The elitism here is staggering.

You begrudge others enjoying FFXIV being the way it was designed and bemoan the lack of games that scratch your own itch in one of the most self-centered rants I've seen. Such hatred and vitriol towards people for liking stuff you don't is unhealthy.

Let's take a step back here, why don't you play FFXI? It's still alive after all. Retail still ticks along and there are private servers if you want the HNM/Sky/Limbus/Dynamis/ToAU stuff experience at 75. WoW Classic is coming in a few weeks, maybe that will scratch your itch?

Lol! This is the biggest case of projection I have ever seen. All raiders have been doing is asking for content, with no intention of hurting the casual community. Meanwhile, the casual community has been actively rallying to block raiders from getting any content while bragging about all the content that they have to do, EVEN THOUGH RAIDERS GETTING MORE CONTENT WILL BARELY IF AT ALL AFFECT THE CASUAL'S GAMEPLAY EXPERIENCE. To fight so hard so that raiders can't get any more of a piece of their already tiny slice of pie while you horde 95% shows a clear hatred towards raiders.

I don't begrudge casuals for enjoying FFXIV the way they want to. All I'm saying is, let me voice my criticisms towards the dev team instead of telling me to just shut up and deal with it? The hypocrisy in this thread is staggering.

If you think I'm begrudging it's because you're all trying to silence me. Imagine if invaders take over your city, you try to live amicably with them, you try to talk in a civil manner with them, but all they say back to you is 'stfu and deal with it' or, 'get out.' Whom are the ones being elitist towards whom here? You guys aren't even indifferent towards raiders, you HATE them.

The issue here is this isn't even about 14 anymore, you have an issue with MMO's in general and despite there being others far closer to what you want (not exactly obviously) you've decided to make 14 your battleground.
You keep meshing two arguments into one, you want 14 to have more content you like but also claim MMO's have been "ruined" by "casuals" and keep using one to try and argue the other.
You also keep using the argument that the game would be "better" if it gives you what you want, yet the game has continued to grow, make more money and get bigger since its relaunch, everything you say is being proven false by the game, and all your evidence is "I bet there's!" "Imagine how many!" "I'm sure there's!" The clear rates for the hard content have always been low, this isn't something new, you're in the minority and you get content, it isn't enough for you, but it's as much as the devs feel they can provide without detracting from their content scheduled and they have added to the formula with Ultimate.

A lot of people from both sides agree this shouldn't be an us Vs them debate but you keep making it one with your attitude that "casuals" somehow "owe" you because they "ruined" the genre for you and so they should give up content for you.
The sad part is a lot of us wouldn't mind you getting more content but we also understand that it comes at a price and with the ratio of people who'd do it Vs those who'd do easier content is a tough sell and likely you'll never get much more than perhaps a BA like bit of content thrown in.

You've picked one of the worst MMO's for your battle yet are convinced those who are happy owe you because you're not happy and it's their fault.
MMO's changed because this is what the majority want, if you aren't happy with 14 after 6 years you either need to reevaluate how you enjoy the game or take Yoshi's advice and seek what you want else where and if no MMO is to your liking at all then I'm sorry and that sucks but that's very much a you problem. There are several and they all play differently, hell, Classic WoW is on the way, perhaps if you like MMO's of old that'll hopefully be to your liking.

Nah, if you read earlier in the thread I was trying to make suggestions, but the casual crowd came at me with swords out, giving me no choice but to defend myself from the onslaught. The best way to make someone hostile is to persecute and isolate them for having ideas, which the people in this thread have done splendidly. It's clear you do not want us to have a voice.

[Ibkee]

Lol! This is the biggest case of projection I have ever seen. All raiders have been doing is asking for content, with no intention of hurting the casual community.

That's not what you've been doing at all.

"destroyed by the casual community"

" Now you want to silence me after your community had destroyed the entire genre that I enjoyed."

That's not asking for more content at all, that's attacking players and accusing them of random stuff they didn't even do.

Meanwhile, the casual community has been actively rallying to block raiders from getting any content while bragging about all the content that they have to do,

Nobody is trying to block anyone getting more content? There is no rallying at all.

You don't like the amount of content, or the difficulty of that which is available, despite not actually doing all the content (Ultimate). I'm not without sympathy, but maybe after 4+ years of complaining about the same thing, you'll realize the game isn't going to change for you?

EVEN THOUGH RAIDERS GETTING MORE CONTENT WILL BARELY IF AT ALL AFFECT THE CASUAL'S GAMEPLAY EXPERIENCE.

Caps spam don't make you look unhinged at all.

If you think I'm begrudging it's because you're all trying to silence me. Imagine if invaders take over your city, you try to live amicably with them, you try to talk in a civil manner with them, but all they say back to you is 'stfu and deal with it' or, 'get out.'

People who like Final Fantasy XIV being Final Fantasy XIV accept invaders taking over their cities. Nice.

Whom are the ones being elitist towards whom here? You guys aren't even indifferent towards raiders, you HATE them.

Nobody hates "raiders". What even is a raider anyway? I run an endgame LS on FFXI, does that make me a raider? Get off your high horse and wise up.

[Zabuza]

That's not what you've been doing at all.

"destroyed by the casual community"

" Now you want to silence me after your community had destroyed the entire genre that I enjoyed."

That's not asking for more content at all, that's attacking players and accusing them of random stuff they didn't even do.



Nobody is trying to block anyone getting more content? There is no rallying at all.

You don't like the amount of content, or the difficulty of that which is available, despite not actually doing all the content (Ultimate). I'm not without sympathy, but maybe after 4+ years of complaining about the same thing, you'll realize the game isn't going to change for you?



Caps spam don't make you look unhinged at all.



People who like Final Fantasy XIV being Final Fantasy XIV accept invaders taking over their cities. Nice.




Nobody hates "raiders". What even is a raider anyway? I run an endgame LS on FFXI, does that make me a raider? Get off your high horse and wise up.

It's clear you've not been reading this thread. I can't blame you, given the amount of pages within. If you had read the thread you would have seen all of this. Probably my first 30 posts or so was trying to ask the devs to make more content. I even made suggestions as to what they could implement. All this while I was being attacked continuously. Yeah, I got progressively more upset after so many pages of attacks directed at me. The caps is obviously frustration of having to repeat myself to people. The progressive, building emotions of having to deal with the same old arguments for like 80 pages now. There absolutely has been rallying from the people in this thread to block raiders from getting any more content. There was literally a post 1-2 pages ago telling me to 'stfu and deal with it,' rather than trying to offer suggestions for this game.

Also, me on a high horse? It's more like the opposite. You guys have relegated me to the ghettos and are telling me to accept my place. Yet despite all of this, you think I am the one who is elitist. Get it through your skulls, I don't think I'm better than any of you. I had stopped posting until someone dredged up the thread again to call me 'lucky' that I had cleared e1-e3s first week with pugs, and that it was not at all evidence of the difficulty of endgame content in this game having been turned down to unacceptable levels(minus Ultimate obviously).

I just can't understand it. You won't see me in threads like 'it's about time for pink bunny tail glamours', because frankly I don't care in the slightest about it, so you won't see me trying to block Yoshi-P and team from adding it to the game. If people wanted pink bunny tail glamours, more power to them. Add it, make them happy. Yet the fervor with which some people in this thread are trying to oppose having challenging endgame battle content added when a lot of the detractors don't even do these things, it's almost like they are threatened by people like me asking for such things. Why?

[Ibkee]

It's clear you've not been reading this thread. I can't blame you, given the amount of pages within. If you had read the thread you would have seen all of this. Probably my first 30 posts or so was trying to ask the devs to make more content.

Your first 30 posts, do you even read what you're typing? You're telling me you've been spamming this thread up, ad nauseam, north of 30 times over an issue you were complaining about at least 4 years ago? This really isn't healthy at all.

Taking a step back, it seems that your problem isn't that there isn't enough content, or even that there isn't enough challenging content, it's that there isn't enough content that you actually like. There's nothing wrong with wanting more content that you enjoy, but after so many years of so much complaining, perhaps the formula won't change, perhaps the game is the game, perhaps another game is what you want and need? And that's ok?

All this while I was being attacked continuously.

"destroyed by the casual community"

" your community had destroyed the entire genre that I enjoyed."

Yet the fervor with which some people in this thread are trying to oppose having challenging endgame battle content added

They added challenging endgame battle content and you didn't do it.

Another ultimate fight is coming in 5.1, going to do it this time or come on the forums and complain as if it doesn't exist?

[Zabuza]

Your first 30 posts, do you even read what you're typing? You're telling me you've been spamming this thread up, ad nauseam, north of 30 times over an issue you were complaining about at least 4 years ago? This really isn't healthy at all.

Taking a step back, it seems that your problem isn't that there isn't enough content, or even that there isn't enough challenging content, it's that there isn't enough content that you actually like. There's nothing wrong with wanting more content that you enjoy, but after so many years of so much complaining, perhaps the formula won't change, perhaps the game is the game, perhaps another game is what you want and need? And that's ok?



"destroyed by the casual community"

" your community had destroyed the entire genre that I enjoyed."



They added challenging endgame battle content and you didn't do it.

Another ultimate fight is coming in 5.1, going to do it this time or come on the forums and complain as if it doesn't exist?

After that post from 4 years ago, I hadn't posted about this again until the expansion launch. But yeah, I got tired of the same old formula so I have been fighting to have more content released in this thread. Savage fights are now trials. The Ultimate is also a trial. I see you're falling back on the argument that I need to have done everything to want things added to this game. I actually do plan on doing Ultimate if they add it in 5.1 Even if I clear it and come back here to post though, I'm sure you'll still have something to say about it, won't you? Maybe then your excuse will be that I didn't level all my jobs to 80 or something? Maybe that I'm elitist for stating I cleared it? Yeah, how dare I want them to put some other type of endgame content into this game. I also love how you ignore the repeated attacks against me which eventually caused me to lash out to defend myself. You portray it as if nothing catalyzed me to start behaving this way, and I just decided to start saying such things for fun. I am not the one who started the hostility. Grade A cherry picking there.

There has been nothing fresh and fun in the endgame for who knows how long anymore. Ultimate was a nice ramp up in difficulty, but is ultimately the same exact type of endgame content. A single boss fight in a square or circular arena that operates much like Savage, just harder. You said there is nothing wrong with wanting more content that I enjoy, so I will continue to voice my desire for that content. Thank you.

[Ibkee]

[QUOTE=Zabuza;5135070]But yeah, I got tired of the same old formula so I have been fighting to have more content released in this thread.{/quote]

You're confused.

It seems to me, more content actually isn't good enough for you. You want different content, not more content.

Savage fights are now trials.

So see, despite all that arguing early on that "we just want a few more fights", apparently that isn't good enough and, if added, would be dismissed as "just trials". What you want is something requiring a considerable amount of dev time, which would detract from the overall experience in other areas whether you admit it or not.

The Ultimate is also a trial.

Which you haven't done.

I see you're falling back on the argument that I need to have done everything to want things added to this game.

If I complain I'd like fishing to be introduced into the game, it's only logical for someone to tell me it's already there.

You said the following
"Yet the fervor with which some people in this thread are trying to oppose having challenging endgame battle content added"

This indicates to me you might have missed the fact challenging endgame battle content already exists. It's called Ultimate. Less than 1% of players have cleared either of them, never mind both. You haven't cleared it either. I'll assume that's because you're too casual.

I actually do plan on doing Ultimate if they add it in 5.1

They've already announced Ultimate for this expansion, at least 2 but probably 3. But do continue acting as if it doesn't exist.

[Zabuza]

You're confused.

It seems to me, more content actually isn't good enough for you. You want different content, not more content.



So see, despite all that arguing early on that "we just want a few more fights", apparently that isn't good enough and, if added, would be dismissed as "just trials". What you want is something requiring a considerable amount of dev time, which would detract from the overall experience in other areas whether you admit it or not.



Which you haven't done.



If I complain I'd like fishing to be introduced into the game, it's only logical for someone to tell me it's already there.

You said the following
"Yet the fervor with which some people in this thread are trying to oppose having challenging endgame battle content added"

This indicates to me you might have missed the fact challenging endgame battle content already exists. It's called Ultimate. Less than 1% of players have cleared either of them, never mind both. You haven't cleared it either. I'll assume that's because you're too casual.



They've already announced Ultimate for this expansion, at least 2 but probably 3. But do continue acting as if it doesn't exist.

So, basically someone has to clear absolutely everything before they're allowed to voice a desire to want more endgame content, in your eyes. Cool. From now on, people who have glamour ideas are no longer able to suggest them unless they have every single piece of gear in their inventory, every glamour set. People who want more hunts are no longer allowed to ask for them unless they have all the hunt mounts. People who want to suggest items for housing are no longer allowed to suggest these things unless they have every single type of furniture item. People who have ideas for mounts or minions are no longer allowed to want more mounts and minions unless they have collected every single type of mount or minion. People who want a job added into the game are no longer allowed to ask for it unless they have leveled every single job to 80. I'm guessing if we go by those criteria, noone will be allowed to suggest anything in this forum ever again. But keep applying those standards to only endgame content, please.

Just out of curiosity, what will your argument be if I clear the 5.1 Ultimate and still feel the same way? Guessing you will tell me, 'ya but now you need to go back and clear Ultimate Coil or UwU,' correct?

[Arngrim_Greyashe]

So, basically someone has to clear absolutely everything before they're allowed to voice a desire to want more endgame content, in your eyes. Cool. From now on, people who have glamour ideas are no longer able to suggest them unless they have every single piece of gear in their inventory, every glamour set. People who want more hunts are no longer allowed to ask for them unless they have all the hunt mounts. People who want to suggest items for housing are no longer allowed to suggest these things unless they have every single type of furniture item. People who have ideas for mounts or minions are no longer allowed to want more mounts and minions unless they have collected every single type of mount or minion. People who want a job added into the game are no longer allowed to ask for it unless they have leveled every single job to 80. I'm guessing if we go by those criteria, noone will be allowed to suggest anything in this forum ever again. But keep applying those standards to only endgame content, please.

Just out of curiosity, what will your argument be if I clear the 5.1 Ultimate and still feel the same way? Guessing you will tell me, 'ya but now you need to go back and clear Ultimate Coil or UwU,' correct?

You're quite literally arguing that you want more challenging endgame content but then don't do it when it arrives. What else is there supposed to be?