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    Quote Originally Posted by Demetri_Delethorn View Post
    Treating the game like a job and actually scheduling raid times is pretty embarrassing, yeah. But one should do what one enjoys

    This is how endgame content in mmos work. And it is not a job. Does going to a bowling league or any team sporting event make that a job? Why would coming together with your team be work in a mmo then?

    Savage and ultimate content is not for pug, simple as that. So need to get a group together and set times to raid. OR you have to wait 1.5-2 months for everyone to ultra outgear the content then pugs work more often then not on earlier tiers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xatsh View Post
    This is how endgame content in mmos work. And it is not a job. Does going to a bowling league or any team sporting event make that a job? Why would coming together with your team be work in a mmo then?

    Savage and ultimate content is not for pug, simple as that. So need to get a group together and set times to raid. OR you have to wait 1.5-2 months for everyone to ultra outgear the content then pugs work more often then not on earlier tiers.
    I've done Savage tiers with PUGs homie. "B-b-b-but that's impossible!!!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Demetri_Delethorn View Post
    I've done Savage tiers with PUGs homie. "B-b-b-but that's impossible!!!"
    Considering you don't have any savage or EX mounts of relevance on your character there, I'd wager you've done none of the relevant ones to this discussion. :3

    "B-B-B-But why are you guiz doing things I don't like?! STAHP it's eMbArRaSsInG." See that? That's you right now. Have you never arranged to meet up with friends at a specific time to go out or watch a movie? So embarrassing you can't even understand it's the same concept.

    Also I have no idea what ya'll are talking about that Crystal doesn't raid. I saw a million PFs all night tonight and got my E1S weekly out of the way real quick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ovenmitts View Post
    Also I have no idea what ya'll are talking about that Crystal doesn't raid. I saw a million PFs all night tonight and got my E1S weekly out of the way real quick.
    Left was me on my Crystal alt and right was a friend on Aether. Screen was taken at the same time.


    Crystal doesn't do content even though they have more players.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MPK View Post
    Left was me on my Crystal alt and right was a friend on Aether. Screen was taken at the same time.


    Crystal doesn't do content even though they have more players.
    That image does not tell me when ya'll took those pics. If I felt like going back online I could take an image of the PF but that would be dumb because it's early on a Wednesday morning so people wouldn't be raiding in NA. Also, you know that the population on Crystal is much less than that on Aether. What I see here is the same number of high end raiders searching for people in 3 and 4s on both data centers. Participation seems lower in 1 and 2 but that could be due to time zone issues or if parties filled. Furthermore, a lot of raiders moved to Aether due to this weird stigma that Crystal is casual so of course they would have more parties than Crystal.

    TIL fake news is fake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ovenmitts View Post
    That image does not tell me when ya'll took those pics. If I felt like going back online I could take an image of the PF but that would be dumb because it's early on a Wednesday morning so people wouldn't be raiding in NA. Also, you know that the population on Crystal is much less than that on Aether. What I see here is the same number of high end raiders searching for people in 3 and 4s on both data centers. Participation seems lower in 1 and 2 but that could be due to time zone issues or if parties filled. Furthermore, a lot of raiders moved to Aether due to this weird stigma that Crystal is casual so of course they would have more parties than Crystal.

    TIL fake news is fake.
    By all means try this out yourself. There's a lot less people doing anything EX/Savage related at any given time. Even on FFLogs under Progress, you can see that there's even a higher participation on Aether/Primal

    Oh btw, I got the population number from lucky bancho, so take those how you will. That image was taken around 7:00PM PST after i got fed up with trying to find weekly reclear parties for e2s on my alt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MPK View Post
    By all means try this out yourself. There's a lot less people doing anything EX/Savage related at any given time. Even on FFLogs under Progress, you can see that there's even a higher participation on Aether/Primal

    Oh btw, I got the population number from lucky bancho, so take those how you will. That image was taken around 630 PST after i got fed up with trying to find weekly clears for e2s on my alt.
    ...Of course, as I said, a lot of people moved to Aether because they foresaw Crystal as being a blight upon XIV society. Balmung and Mateus, the quarantine zones together. Gasp! RUN, RUN AWAY. It reminds me a bit of what happened to Coeurl in 2.0 going into HW. The population started dwindling because raiders didn't see a future in the server so went to "bigger and better places." It's a self-fulfilling prophecy if people believe it to be bad, they will turn it bad even if there was never anything wrong with it to begin with.

    But that hasn't been my experience. If that's your experience, well, I can't speak for you but we must be running content at different times. I don't get around to my savage runs until 10ish eastern and even then I can get a party together real quick and do the thing (because I play healer and have a healer and tank friend huehue).

    There is a raiding community on Crystal. There is a raiding discord for Crystal if you can't find competent people. There are options. There is no boogeyman.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Demetri_Delethorn View Post
    I've done Savage tiers with PUGs homie. "B-b-b-but that's impossible!!!"
    I have a hard time believing you've done any relevant savage content, Alexander savage in Stormblood doesn't count by the way.
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