PF reaches a new low (E1S Reclear)

[Demetri_Delethorn]

Listen. I know this migh be hard to swallow but you can't expect PUGs to clear Eden Savage. They still fail at Innocence in farm parties.

Except...they can do it. There's almost always a player or two who brings it down, though. Plenty of people out there are capable of PUGing it, just need to get 8 of them together by chance. Unfortunately, the bad players outweigh the good.

Better to fail in a PUG than actually be a member of a static. Can't imagine that level of embarrassment.

[Fiorinol]

Except...they can do it. There's almost always a player or two who brings it down, though. Plenty of people out there are capable of PUGing it, just need to get 8 of them together by chance. Unfortunately, the bad players outweigh the good.

Better to fail in a PUG than actually be a member of a static. Can't imagine that level of embarrassment.

I run PF parties for Aether fairly often. I helped 4 groups clear E1S last week.

Party Finder players need a big attitude adjustment. You do often get those 1-2 problem players, and when you kick them, the rest of your party elects to go join one of the 10 other parties where the leader will not kick these players. I announce in my PF that I do a macro for positions, and when I throw that macro into chat and ask people to take positions around a marker, there's someone half the time who either refuses to comply or throws their hands up in the air, making the whole process unfun for the 6-7 other people involved.

[Hash_Browns]

Better to fail in a PUG than actually be a member of a static. Can't imagine that level of embarrassment.

Yes, I can't imagine how embarrassing it must be to find players who aren't bad at clearing content, know what they are doing, organizing around everyone's work/sleep schedule, actually helping each other out, and actively enjoy being around each other. I would rather fail a billion times in the "Farm Party" PF groups that fail because they hit Innocence enrage at 30% HP, while trying the point the finger at each other because someone is trying to get carried, sometimes 2 or 3 people.

[Demetri_Delethorn]

Yes, I can't imagine how embarrassing it must be to find players who aren't bad at clearing content, know what they are doing, organizing around everyone's work/sleep schedule, actually helping each other out, and actively enjoy being around each other. I would rather fail a billion times in the "Farm Party" PF groups that fail because they hit Innocence enrage at 30% HP, while trying the point the finger at each other because someone is trying to get carried, sometimes 2 or 3 people.

Treating the game like a job and actually scheduling raid times is pretty embarrassing, yeah. But one should do what one enjoys

[Hash_Browns]

Treating the game like a job and actually scheduling raid times is pretty embarrassing, yeah. But one should do what one enjoys

I don't understand. None of the people I play with treat it like a job.

"When can you guys play, do you wanna prog E2S this week?" doesn't sound like work. We actively enjoy playing with each other, and actively enjoy progressing. The barrier being the timeframe.

[Xatsh]

Treating the game like a job and actually scheduling raid times is pretty embarrassing, yeah. But one should do what one enjoys

This is how endgame content in mmos work. And it is not a job. Does going to a bowling league or any team sporting event make that a job? Why would coming together with your team be work in a mmo then?

Savage and ultimate content is not for pug, simple as that. So need to get a group together and set times to raid. OR you have to wait 1.5-2 months for everyone to ultra outgear the content then pugs work more often then not on earlier tiers.

[Demetri_Delethorn]

This is how endgame content in mmos work. And it is not a job. Does going to a bowling league or any team sporting event make that a job? Why would coming together with your team be work in a mmo then?

Savage and ultimate content is not for pug, simple as that. So need to get a group together and set times to raid. OR you have to wait 1.5-2 months for everyone to ultra outgear the content then pugs work more often then not on earlier tiers.

I've done Savage tiers with PUGs homie. "B-b-b-but that's impossible!!!"

[Ovenmitts]

I've done Savage tiers with PUGs homie. "B-b-b-but that's impossible!!!"

Considering you don't have any savage or EX mounts of relevance on your character there, I'd wager you've done none of the relevant ones to this discussion. :3

"B-B-B-But why are you guiz doing things I don't like?! STAHP it's eMbArRaSsInG." See that? That's you right now. Have you never arranged to meet up with friends at a specific time to go out or watch a movie? So embarrassing you can't even understand it's the same concept.

Also I have no idea what ya'll are talking about that Crystal doesn't raid. I saw a million PFs all night tonight and got my E1S weekly out of the way real quick.

[MPK]

Also I have no idea what ya'll are talking about that Crystal doesn't raid. I saw a million PFs all night tonight and got my E1S weekly out of the way real quick.

Left was me on my Crystal alt and right was a friend on Aether. Screen was taken at the same time.


Crystal doesn't do content even though they have more players.

[Dogempire]

I've done Savage tiers with PUGs homie. "B-b-b-but that's impossible!!!"

I have a hard time believing you've done any relevant savage content, Alexander savage in Stormblood doesn't count by the way.